(((Cathy)))
Deborah
jehovah's witness elders .
abused my 4 year old
when my son matt was three years old, he was molested by his 26 year old aunt (my sister in law).
(((Cathy)))
Deborah
as a complement to my justice series it seems only fitting to have judicial stories told from the perspective of those who have had to sit in the "hot seat" and face the watchtower tribunal of the three stooges ... many, maybe most, elders have never had to face a judicial committee.
were this to have been the case, maybe we would not have the horror stories, but rather more tempered justice among jws.. .
before i was an elder, i too faced the trinity of elders ... and sat in the infamous "hot seat" ... for what?
You are a great writer - please continue with your series.
When I went before the JC's, my experience was nothing like the stories I have heard on here. I wasn't asked details of my "crime"; basically I was asked if I had had pre-marital sex and I said yes. I was ask when the last time was and I lied and said right before I had received a phone call saying that I had been "turned in".
The brother that was DF’ed along with me would never tell me what happen in his JC meeting. He just said that he had admitted pre-marital sex and that he also admitted that we had been together the previous day of the JC meeting (so they knew about my lie, my meeting was after his) but he wouldn’t tell me what else went on. From this topic and others I have read I wonder what really went on in his. How many details did they ask of him?
Unbeknownst to me at the time and until I found this site actually; I guess elders kids were given different treatment.
so many of us, so many reasons we left or were kicked out.
from that point, how long did it take for you to not feel guilty about things and realize that the wts is not the "truth" as they always claim and that they have no say in whatever happens to us later.. for me, it was a slow fade.
not so much because i was determind to leave it; it was basically laziness in that regard.
When I looked into the eyes of a friend of mine and all he wanted to do was to talk to someone and I turned my back on him. He was DF'ed.
If shunning was right; why did my entire heart feel like it was tearing into.
Even if it was the truth - i wanted no part of this God. I was 14.
i have a distant cousin, 15 and in a wheel chair.
she's always saying how she can't wait until the new system comes when finally she'll be set free from her handicap and can run around with joyful glee.
it breaks my heart knowing this is never gonna happen and makes me even more angrier.
The sad part is - being a past JW and now being "worldly" - that people either 1) pity themselves and use a illness/handicap as an excuse or 2) they live – they accept it – do what they can about it – but they live. I have known both.
Another sadness are those that are not physically handicapped. It doesn’t always have to be physical. People wasting their lives. The ones that don’t believe in anything; Not in themselves, not family, not “God”, not anything. I know both – JW’s and non-JW’s.
The good thing is that there are people/volunteers that want to help the ones that want to help themselves. People who encourage and build the hopes of the “handicap” that wants help. Those w ho gives them confidence to live this life.
And this is where I see JW’s lacking – their hope is in “the new system” & preaching & meetings; not in volunteering/helping time to help those that want it. But then again there are alot of non-JW's that don't volunteer their time either. But on a precentage basis I would bet that non-JW's outnumber JW's 99.9% to .1%
just my $.02
this happened in the mid 80's at a circuit assembly in wisconsin.
the "brothers" decided they had the solution to the long lines for the ladies room.
they went in there and covered the mirrors with brown paper.
I thought it was isolated as well. It happened in South Central US as well.
howcome the wts does not include personal testimonies in their meetings (i mean, ones that have not been edited by the writing department)?
oftentimes when i am preparing for an instructional course, i go looking for a sample completed form.
in order that my students are not led astray, i try and find the perfect sample.
pamkw - close to the same thing happened at my brothers funeral. I can remember being at mom's and a lot of JW's were there to console her. I walked out back to get away from everyone and I heard the brother that would be giving the talk at the funeral talking about how he was going to use "this time to preach to all the worldly" that would attend. And he did. I was never as disgusted with JW's as i was at that point. They turned my brother's funeral into a "Sunday hour Sermon".
the following is taken from the nhs uk transplant website at http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/how_to_become_a_donor/how_to_become_a_donor.htm.
today more than 5,500 people in the uk are waiting for an organ transplant that could save or dramatically improve their life.. most are waiting for a kidney*, others for a heart, lung or liver transplant.
but less than 3,000 transplants are carried out each year.. there is a desperate need for more donors.
I am. It is registered on my drivers license & at both hospitals in town.
i miss you so much i just cant say how much i hurt inside.
i think back to when i was just a child and how you gave me the food from your plate when there wasnt enough for each of us to have dinner.
you always put me first, your joy in life came from seeing me happy, knowing i was safe and i had everything you could give me.. i miss doing my homework with you, the way you taught me to draw and how much confidence you always had in me and i still remember how you gave and gave until you had nothing more to give me.
I hope my son's have the same feelings as you when I am gone. (mentally or physically)
(((take care)))
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9 Why is such a firm stand (DF) appropriate even today? …….Well, reflect on the severe cutting off mandated in God's Law to Israel. In various serious matters, willful violators were executed. (Leviticus 20:10; Numbers 15:30, 31) When that happened, others, even relatives, could no longer speak with the dead lawbreaker”
Can’t you just see them sitting there nodding their head in agreement. “Yes, yes I understand, you cant’ talk to a dead person so…. You can’t talk to a DF’ed person either. I see the parallel in the law”.
“In fact, if a son was a drunkard and a glutton, his parents were to bring him before the judges, and if he was unrepentant, the parents were to share in the just executing of him…..”
Since it is against the law to just kill them; shunning isn’t so bad!
The more I read and have learned the angrier and angrier I am at my father. He was an extremely intelligent man. But I guess the elder headgear fitted him perfectly. The pedestal I had him on is coming down bit by bit.
We argued discussed this over and over and over and over. He always made me feel I was wrong by not agreeing with shunning. I realize now, he just said the same thing every time. I would go and for different ways to show him it was wrong… he would just repeat the same scriptures……. Every time.
i just wanted to let you know that we recieved the judgment today and we won!!!!!
i will get my babies back this sunday.
i have just had a huge load taken off my shoulders.
Congradulations Larry!
I am so glad everything turned out this way.