Posts by Abaddon

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Does God Really Want to Save Everyone?"

by JosephAlward in

a striking difference of opinion about gods attitude seems to have existed between the author of 1 timothy and the author of 2 thessalonians.

one thinks that god wants all men to be saved, but the other speaks of god deliberately deluding people in order to condemn them.

both pictures of god cannot be true, so there is a clear contradiction.

Abaddon

Bang; Why don't you admit you WANT to believe in god, even though there are many contradictions and a BIG lack of proof for the theory of god? Your cheerful attempts to fit a square peg in a round hole seem to indicate this.

You justify god's lack of action in the drowning scenario outlined by JosephAlward by saying;

Yes. If a person was always recklessly doing things that caused them to get into drowning difficulty. You might let them swallow water, experience drowning and become unconscious, later to revive them. They'd think twice about drowning next time. Even so, some people are simple determined to drown, and it's a bit upsetting that. But He's able to bring them back to life, they just don't know it, and why tell them that and cause an even more hardened attitude?

Look, I don't know about you, but if the first time I did something that bugged god (or to use the illusration, the first time I did something reckless that meant I was drowning), god let me know, in a clear and objectively verifiable fashion (Moses got a burning bush, why can't I? In terms of the illustartion, it would be being plucked from the water by no hands and deposited on dry land, or maybe, walking on water), well, I wouldn't do it again. Being an atheist when you've just had god prove it existed AND ask you not to do that again is not a realistic option.

Your god seems to be a trick player, and very human. How sad. I don't believe in god, as there is more evidence for the lack of god than for god. But if there was a god, then I like to feel that it would be w o n d e r f u l.

Instead, you have to make up reasons why god doesn't tap us all on the shoulder, look us in the eyes, and let us know that it is true.

If there was a god who cared, it would. The absence of such proof is an indication that god is as you see him (a trickster, and very human), or that god doesn't care, or, most likely, that god is just a nice idea, like non-fattening chocolate.

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

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What are men scared of???

by Billygoat in

i just read tyydyy's post on macho men.

kent had an interesting point:.

i'd say a girl would go for a man - and then i mean someone who isn't scared shitless by a girl with brains!.

Abaddon

Personally speaking, the only thing I am afraid of is nostril hair...

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ExJw And Abortions

by tyydyy in

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we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?

how have your views changed?

i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.

Abaddon

xena and jayhawk; I'm not saying that some people don't use abortion as contraception, but those that do (with reasonable exceptions) are fools, as there are better ways of dealing with things.

As for the support thing, yes, there's a lot more than financial support... I used a fairly silly example as the statement struck me as being a bit silly.

tyydyy, you do make a very good point. In Holland they have VERY thorough sex education, and very low teenage pregnancy. In the USA, sex education, I believe, is quite poor, and teen pregnancy is high. AND, to counter the dumb belief that sex education encourages kids to have sex, the age of people losing their virginity is higher in Holland than in the USA!

Mommy; I respect the way you hold your own opinion whilst respecting other's rights. Remember, at least a third of fertilised eggs don't even implant. Nature kills off the eggs that don't suit life. Many animals will euthanise their young, or abort, if conditions do not suit life. I think it is fair (and I'm not saying you oppose this viewpoint) that a woman, even using technological means, ends a pregnancy is conditions do not suit life. It isn't un-natural at all, even if the method are un-natural.

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Who are the true worshippers of God?

by AGuest in

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may you all have peace!

(yes, i know i am starting a new thread when one already exists, but most of you know me by now...).

the 'true' worshippers of god are those that worship him... in spirit... and in truth.

Abaddon

If Jehovah is lord god of armies, who is lord god of leggies?

Come to that, there must be a lord god of headies and handies and footies.

And who gets the naughty bits? Lord devil of willies? Lord devil of vagies? Lord devil of boobies? Or do they get gods too?

Sorry Shelby, I don't mean to mock (okay, I do, but I don't mean to be mean).

If lawd goawd of bowdy pawts wants people to come to him, why doesn't he appear or visit him (or her) self upon everyone like he does upon you? Then everyone would believe.

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ExJw And Abortions

by tyydyy in

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we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?

how have your views changed?

i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.

Abaddon

jayhawk1; "I don't support abortions for birth control"

This might be semantics, but I see 'birth control' and 'contraceptives' as synonyms. Who uses abortion as a contraceptive? If anyone does, they are a fool. There are far better methods. Abortion is a method of ending unwanted or undesirable pregnancies, not a method of contraception!

Skimmer; "Intentional abortion is the willful taking of human life. This is a scientific fact and has nothing to do with any religion."

Funny how you can give an opinion like that and keep the word 'scientific' in the statement. Your attempt to make slave owning (of seperate, sentient creatures) the same as abortion (which does not neccesarily involve sentient creatures) seems muddled too.

Semantically speaking, yes, abortion is the taking of life, as the cells involved are alive, just as, oh, cleaning your house is the taking of life, as some simple organisms will die when you clean your house. For most people, each meal involves the taking of life of quite complex organisms. So what do you actually mean by 'life'?

If you use 'life' as a contraction of 'human life', well, even then, it depends. You cannot compare a zygote with a baby. I think a baby is most definately human life and a zygote is most definately NOT "human" life. Before you get angry, check what a zygote is, if you don't know.

Notice I put quotation marks around the word human... as this is also a word that requires defining. Obviously a growing, fertilised egg is human life in one sense, but I say "human" life as I think there is no equivalence, for all the similarities of genetic origin, biological activity and possible outcome of existence, between a zygote and a baby.

Where the dividing line is, between the zygote and the full-term fetus, beyond which it is 'wrong' to abort, that is a question for the individual. People are free to regard a zygote as human life, but equally, people are free not to. Some people might regard a 13 week-old fetus as too developed to not regard as human life, others might regard a higher or lower limit as the dividing line.

Obviously, there is no 'magic moment' where a pregnancy becomes human. But, as it obviously ISN'T "human" when it's a ball of cells, and obviously IS 'human' when it's a baby, a dividing line needs to be drawn.

Why? Well, sometimes it's not a good idea for a person to have a baby, for any number of different reasons. Ideally (as in some European countries), you should be able to get a pill that will end the pregnancy as soon as you know about it, if you don't want a baby.

As for;

joel; "I think if a woman is forced into this horrible choice because of the actions of a man who is unwilling to marry or otherwise support the family he has created that the man should be put to death, not the unborn child."

Joel sweetie, I have big respect for you on many issues, but that's just silly. Would you be the triggerman? Or was that hyperbole? So a guy who works in McD's has a one-night stand with a CEO, the condom bursts, he can't pay support, BANG!, is justice? Killing people is wrong... and, no, I don't think abortion is killing 'people', if anyone's going to jump on that as a discrepancy.

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"Such an evil star"

by Yadirf in

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december 29, 1999. writing department.

25 columbia heights.

brooklyn, ny 11201-2483. .

Abaddon

"and then I got disfellowshipped from JW.com"

Poor Friday and his victim mentality... some of us move on, some of us... become Friday...

Friday, if you turned up at ANYONES' house, and acted in the offensive and inane way that, hell, just comes to you naturally, the owner of the house would ask you to leave. If you didn't, they and their friends would firmly escort you to the door.

You are responsible for that happening, no one else. Own the responsibility, if you can, rather than making out you were wronged. It's a moronic arguement and using it makes you look like like a moron.

As for your routine of bothering about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin, and your puny, human conception of god and satan, if this is your idea of making god's message relevant to the world today, god had better get better representatives, as you make the whole thing ludicrous. Dying babies? Talk about a bad star...

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Evolution, Aliens ,Angels and Gods

by sleepy in

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i'd like to start by asking the question can you belive in evolution and not in the possibilty of alien life?.

if the known laws of nature are all that are needed to create life undirected is there any basis for anyone doubting the probable existance of other creatures apart from our own?.

if this is the case is there any reason to doubt that there could be beings of a different nature or more advanced than us?

Abaddon

Oh, this is the ERick von loadofbull, you know, Chariot of the God's fellow thing, amongst others.

I don't think we are alone in the Universe. It would be ridiculous, it's almost human speciesism to suggest otherwise. We are very unlikely to be special. We will probably end up as a minor holiday resort, famed for being a planet where the single moon orbiting it is of such a distance and a size that it could totally eclipse the planet's star. That's probably more special than ALL of us.

Maybe even more special than Bach... although I personally think that Earth will be the equivalent of the UK on the local spiral arm's charts, and export coffee, chocalate, and r e a l l y good grass.

But have they been here, they as in 'whatever the @uck can travel interstellar distances' they?

There's no real evidence... but it would be cool, and very Authur C. Clarke.

Are they here now? Again, if someone wanted to invade, there's probably planets with far less advanced civilisations that Earth's or no intelligent life that they could invade, without having Will Smith go whoop their ass... ass as in ASS IF. Yeah, they can travel bewteen stars but we can beat them with our pluck, and the American flag (natch), and an F15 that burns crushed plant and has to obey the laws of gravity... huh...

If they are out there, let's hope they are nicer than us.

But all the evidence, such as there is or isn't, for aliens NOW, is a bit illogical.

Just as they could whop our asses, or whatever they would call complete and utter total destruction with knobs on planet j@'>hskfgc!!D-shhh!!!, if they wanted to be here, and didn't want us to know, then I think they could be, to our technology, invisable, so not there you would look the opposite way as if even there was nothing there there would still be more than than where they were. They woudl take us, if they wanted, and we would not remember a thing.

If they want us to know, they'll call the UN, not Joe Bindwind in Duhmasphuck, Alabama (not that there aren't smart people in Alabama).

SO, maybe they were here, they're probably not now, and maybe that's a good thing.

Maybe one day it will be like the Lottery; "COngratulation, your planet has not had a major war in 100 years, welcome to the Federation of Love".

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

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"Such an evil star"

by Yadirf in

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december 29, 1999. writing department.

25 columbia heights.

brooklyn, ny 11201-2483. .

Abaddon

D wiltshire; "you make many ass up tions"

Hehehehe... I like that one... of course, Friday doesn't.

Friday, I think, loves only ONE person, and that's himself... if he had one less bone in his spine, he'd never leave the house... as he could REACH...

Friday, the fact that some people are (quite justifiably, as you are a git) rude to you, doesn't invalidate the points being made.

Your god and satan are so HUMAN as to be laughable.

Your satan especially is a 3rd rate Bond villan.

So, the baddest most evil spirit can do is make a star glow brightly above the stable god's son is born in. Wow, what an orchestrated attempt on his life! It's up there with the CIA and exploding cigars. Anyone would think a small group of, what, say sheperds, possessed by evil spirits, would have been able to kill ickle baby Jesus, no problem. Maybe a demonised ass, going crazy? Oh no, that's YOU.

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Signs Of Imminent Departure?

by Englishman in

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back in the 70's, when i was df'd for associating with other df'd people, a lot of us recently df'd ones met up for a mini apostofest at sandy balls in the new forest.. we had a great time, lots of barbies, lots of wine, lots of folk songs by bob dylan,tom paxton and harvey andrews.

we could all strum a few chords too.

her ladyship could bring me to tears with her rendition of cat steven's father and son.. there were also some other common factors besides the folk singing and wine drinking.

Abaddon

Well, I developed a taste for music late - I didn't really start buying albums until I was working, existing on tapes of my brother's record colection; Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, ya know, good stuff. On top of this good foundation I got a bit eclectic. Some howlers, taste-wise; Dire Straits, Marillion... but nothing too 'safe' or ordinary. I dispair at my Nephews - for a moment, when they got into Nirvana and then the Prodigy I though there was some hope! I was a Prince fan, which for a Dub then was edgy and rebellious, and had some flak from parents (words in John Hiatt songs, the name of an Ozzy band 'The Church', but as I always liked what I liked and was careful who I spoke to about it, music was not my rebellion.

Cars. No, not that either. A Mini estate, an Audi 80 (heap of SHIT), an old Ford Granada.

Hair? I've always gone for longer hair, and in my late teens started lightening it slightly, lemon juice and that. That was a little hassle, but when my parents tried to embaress me in front of the PO he said he thought it looked good. So I did that for years.

Nah, with me it was reading the Society's literature that was a sign of rebellion, as I also had always been an avid reader of popular science books, and the two don't mix, do they?

Moving from London, so I wasn't under parental observation, also helped.

A too-young (for me, she was ten years older) marraige to someone who emotionally destroyed me helped me outward. Her incestent carping and failure to be satisfied with all I could earn during the day and attacking me for being flagrant by spending £10 a week buying myself lunch at work. I ended up, at her suggestion, getting a job in a nightclub on top of my day job.

Now THAT was a sign. Discovering 'worldy' people actually showed more concern for me than most Witnesses. Discovering they weren't bad or evil. Discovering, that rather than being the complete disaster of a man my wife made me feel (I was sleeping on the sofa by this point), there were young beautiful women who wanted to give me their warm little diamond.

One in particular, believed in me, in my plans for leaving the soul-destroying job I had as a Ad Sales person for a radio station and going to Universtity rather than in my worth as a wage earner and shelf erector.

The relationship didn't work out, but it gave me enough deltaV to blow out of orbit of planet Dub and not look back.

So, for me, there were signs (dodgy music, long hair, tight jeans, sailing as far into the wind against the dress code as I could, having hopes that Jehovah would fucking hurry up and bring new light that I could firmly believe in rather than the sad-sack 'Creation' book apologism, being interested and accepting of a work colleauge who was into wife swapping, rather than the least bit shocked), but the biggest signs were working in a nightclub, dating a College student, and daring to try pot round my friend's house one day after the club had closed - oh, and spending the meetings in the library with sprog, reading up on how I could get out without causing family problems.

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EUROPEAN JW VERSUS USA JW

by beroea in

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european jw versus usa jw.

this board is very dominant by experience from us about the jw lives.

we are only a few from others parts of the world participate.

Abaddon

Well, I know of one guy in the UK who had to shave his beard to become an Elder, but that was more a nazi CO (anyone remember Doug Maltby, I think that was his name? What a dick!) than UK Dubness.

I think that the US is stricter, and the comments about North Europe vs. South Europe are true, although I have to take exception at any idea that the UK are not anti-authority; only Australian's take government and regulations less seriously in my experience.

I am British, but live in Holland, and in this part of North Europe, pedestrians wait when the pedestrian signal is red even if there is no traffic in sight, and on pedestrianised shopping street, people tend keep to the right, whereas in England people will just walk across the road if there are no cars, and a pedestrian precinct with two solid flows of humanity keeping to the right is almost funny it's so weird looking.

But, I left in '93, and am quite prepared to except that somethings are better; all my nephews have been to University, bar one who is going to work in Italy, and that's WORK, not (god's) work. However, as you still have to believe a load of bollocks and shun people who dissent it's not my idea of freedom.

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