Posts by kaik

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Persecution in Russia. Poland next.

by FadeToBlack in

the wife got back from the meeting last night and told me they watched some video from jw.org about persection in russia.

lots of discussion at the hall about poland being next after ukraine.

she told me she was not going to sign anything renouncing her faith even if she had to go to prison.

kaik

Nonsense comparison. Poland is EU member and vital ally of USA and one the most important state in NATO. Polish society went through deep liberalization process where religion plays lesser role than it did 20-30 years ago. Younger population is generally secular mirroring trends in Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Baltics. There is no whatsoever demand nor need for suppressing JW faith there as freedom of religion is guaranteed by constitution. Russia and Poland are two opposite countries, where Poland is significant roadblock for Russian expansion westward. Russia is turning into totalitarian state, and will immitate recreation of USSR whatever cost. JWs and other non-traditional churches in Russia facing persecution for a while, but again comparing Poland and Russia requires really crazy mind.

Prologos, yes, Russia is on march and if they will not stop, they will be marching westward. However, they did not expect Ukraine to put a fight and defend its country rom invasion.

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Serious problems with Gospel of John, and his Revelation

by Pinku in

1) john presents a jesus who is totally different from other gospels.

2) johns claim of jesus being partial to him undermines jesuss own teaching (mathew 5:44-48).

3) johns claim of first miracle (changing the water into wine) and the last (or most spectacular) miracle of resurrecting lazarus are not known to earlier gospel writers---something impossible for them to miss!.

kaik

There are research done on analysis of Revelation claiming that it was written during the Jewish Revolt, other before that or after. Some scholars also claim that Revelation was written in batches over the years by more than one author, where first a few chapters were written before 66AD and other were added 20-30 years later. I had read several of these cases without having any persuasive opinion on which view is correct. I read E. Pagels book as well. I got always feeling that author of Revelation was against Paul base on Rev 2:2: " I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. "

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What my mother should have done.

by LovelyEunie in

this is somewhat of a rant but every time i think of it it just pisses me off.. .

i never understood why my mom would never switch to another hall or whatever when she knew how i was treated by the people who were supposedly the 'best' association around.

my older sister also, because neither of us really had any jw friends because for whatever reason i guess we were pegged as the baddies because our dad wasn't witness (still isn't) and my mother stayed sick a lot so she wasn't able to do half of whatever was required.. .

kaik

LovelyEunie, I would recommend leaving her and start your onw life and family. The cult is desctructive and is not good for you. Tell her why are you leaving and tell her she will not continue such behavior to you anymore. You are 22 and you can be on your own, get job, school, and do not worry about her's abuse.

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Surprise Surprise. Got a letter from bethel today.,

by label licker in

kaik

LisaRose, you are absolutely right. You can be DFs even when you question some actions on elders. I knew case when a person agreed with a speech of CO while elderds did not and that person was DFs with word that it is not important what CO had to say at the convention, but what WT say is true. I also know a case when a guy insisted on JC to go over specific doctrine with a bible and elders disagreed. He was booted out from the cult right there to his very big suprise.

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Why Do Witnesses Promote A Unhealthy Lifestyle, My COBE weighs 340lbs (5ft 7in).

by BucketShopBill in

please don't take this the wrong way if your battling weight problems, that's not what this thread is meant to talk about.

i am asking this question because jehovah's witnesses claim they have "the best way of life", "god's blessing", "the truth" and are trying to change the habits of healthy people by turning them in to their own makings.

i watched people who were great athletes turn all their muscle in to fat because we would get a elder or circuit overseer make remarks they were spending too much time "working out" and "bodily training is beneficial for little".

kaik

We used to have an elder who was body builder and than turned into bolding, expanding blob with own graviational pull. Other elder was about 5.8" and was well over 300 pounds by age 30. Generally lack of health concern among JW is profound as they believe that New world will fix everything. Many of them dying too young from cancer and other diseases that could be preventible or treatable. In my old KH in Czech Republic significant portion of women died around age 50 from various cancer diseases leaving children behind. There is a huge difference when you see Sunday mass in local catholic village church where you see dozen or so old women past 85, while in KH they barely made it to 65. I do not think any elders or male in my old KH made past 75.

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The King of the North is getting Angry...

by rhodesboy in

this topic is of a theological nature.

if you have some scriptural insight, please share.

grievances are not welcome!.

kaik

Nobody knowns who was the king of the North, but probably during the author time it meant Seleucid empire that was north of Judea. There is no any future message from a writer who is more than 2000 years dead.

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I now have a law degree!

by digderidoo in

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hi guys, i don't really post on here much anymore, having been on here since 2001. this site helped me out in the early days and has been a great support system for all of my past jw issues.

like many others i was discouraged from an education so that i could window clean and pioneer in my youth during the 80's.

having spent many years post my jw exit in alcoholism and periods of drugs, i decided to clean myself up 7 years ago by attending aa, i was still a window cleaner ... at the time i wrote extensively on here about my issues.

kaik

Congratulation, and I am happy for you. I left WT nut house when I was in my early 20's, attended university and earned B.S. when I was just over 30. I secured good job and steady income, went for my M.S., changed major due jobs and earned two graduate diplomas. I continue back where I started, working on my masters and have one year left. I am well over 40. Time is not lost. I am planning to go for DR or Phd as well or even earn another M.S. in Mathematics. My local university also has post-master degree that is half way to PhD. Options are great.

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The King of the North is getting Angry...

by rhodesboy in

this topic is of a theological nature.

if you have some scriptural insight, please share.

grievances are not welcome!.

kaik

Don't cry vidiot, the end is comming for everyone one day or another, we will arrive at the end of the times for us.

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Sleep Aid Recommendations

by LV101 in

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friends

in addition to the recent thread, "how to shut your mind down .

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" (which is excellent) but there was another thread about the same time i'm searching for and unable to locate.

kaik

LV, under OTC supplement I ment melatonin or kava kava, no medication like Lunesta, ZzzQuil, or Unisoms. Lunesta, ZzzQuil and Unisoms are available without prescription . I would be very carefull to reach out for them to treat long term insomnia, and I would talk to doctor first. They may have long term side effect, and they are difficult on liver. When you have a prescription look out how it works on you; it may work differently on everyone else. In the 1990's I was prescribed some anti-insomnia drug that happened after my car accident. I had developed severe reaction, could not even stand on my feet, felt drowsy for three days. I do not remember the name of it, but it was nasty.

I sleep well when I getting dim light, warm cup of herbal tea, hot aroma bath, and I am out while listening to these type of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtSCCFVuxrw

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

kaik

designs, you are correct on that. NT does not fullfill OT Messiah. There was no restoration of the throne, temple, and state of the Jews, and ushering a period of peace for mankind.

Jews do not believe in Devil. Satan is someone who works under supervision of God as a public accusser, and collector of evidence for anyone misdeed. This was/is his job. He is not tormentor of damned souls in hell as is invented by Christians. Some schools of Judaism have a similar version of purgatory, whee souls needs clensing and purification before they entered the holy stage. I remember being told that this process is like washing soul of any impurities and no punishment is ethernal. Some rabbis also believe that citizens of Sodom went through similar cleansing process after their death. From Jewish point of view and belief, Jesus sacrifice does not make sense. They do not have need for atonement, nor anyone can buy out anyone sins. Everybody is responsible for their own sins only.

What happened to body of Jesus? If he was a real person, it decayed after his death as dead body tends to do.