Posts by Aroq

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Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovahs Witnesses?

by Londo111 in

dear non-jw:.

do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

Aroq

J-DUBBED, with God anything is possible.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people who don't practice war and who preach worldwide!

by EndofMysteries in

this is what somebody has been telling me, trying to convince me aside from anything one can say or cause reason for doubt, as the evidence that they are the true religion and true people of god.

they are convinced because while 'all other' christian and other religions support war, troops, etc, jw's don't and they are the only one's who carry god's name and preach.

nothing else matters.

Aroq

Jw's WILL go to war, according to their own publications. If one takes a close look, you will see that in the end JW's will be going to war with other "perfect" JW's. Follow this for a moment:

According to the WT the only ones to survive the GT are JW's, right?

"Armageddon will bring this wicked system of things to an end. Satan’s world will be out of the way, but the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization will survive."" ---http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014367?q=Armageddon&p=par

"Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah’s universal organization."-http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2006366?q=Are+You+Prepared+for+Survival&p=par

"The Bible also uses the term “ day of judgment ” to refer to the event that will bring the present system of things to its end. This day of judgment will come as suddenly as the Flood of Noah’s day , which swept away an entire wicked generation. Happily, the imminent destruction of “ungodly men” will clear the way for a new earthly society in which “righteousness is to dwell.”—Read 2 Peter 3:6, 7, 13." ---http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012645?q=judgment+day&p=par

"Jesus will judge people of all nations as sheep or goats when he comes during the great tribulation. Then, at Armageddon, the climax of the great tribulation, the goatlike ones will be ‘cut off’ forever" --http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530?q=goatlike+ones&p=par

So who's left according to the WT after Armageddon? Just the JW's in the org.

OK, so now lets look at who these JW's are.

" However, not all will be willing to conform to God’s will. Isaiah 26:10 says: “Though the wicked one should be shown favor, he simply will not learn righteousness. In the land of straightforwardness he will act unjustly and will not see the eminence of Jehovah.” These wicked ones will be put to death permanently during Judgment Day.— Isaiah 65:20 .

By the end of Judgment Day, surviving humans will have “come to life” fully as perfect humans. (Revelation 20:5) Judgment Day will thus see the restoration of mankind to its original perfect state. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28) Then a final test will take place. Satan will be released from his imprisonment and allowed to try to mislead mankind one last time."----http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005158

So the JW's will be restored to perfection, and only they have survived. What is this final test? Oh, that is where Satan is released to gather some of who is left after Armageddon (Perfected JW's remember) FOR WAR!

Revelation 20: 7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

This false belief that they will not go to war is incorrect based on their own publications.

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JWs and Exclusivity

by Don Schneider in

jesus, mark 9-40 (nwt).

the jehovahs witnesses assert exclusivity.

that is, they are the only true christian faith.

Aroq

Again, it is a very good question. I'm not sure if you will get a complete answer from a Jw in good standing, be cause it will require them to step outside of the WT and addres the issue.

I am very happy you brought this up as I too will ask this, in hopes of getting an answer. If I do get one I'll be sure to send it your way.

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JWs and Exclusivity

by Don Schneider in

jesus, mark 9-40 (nwt).

the jehovahs witnesses assert exclusivity.

that is, they are the only true christian faith.

Aroq

you will get what you are looking for and you will get the opposite as well. You just have to filter through the comments. There are plenty here that can and will answer what you are asking. This place is a mixture of all and that is exactly what you are going to get.

Stick around and find out. There is valuable information here.

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JWs and Exclusivity

by Don Schneider in

jesus, mark 9-40 (nwt).

the jehovahs witnesses assert exclusivity.

that is, they are the only true christian faith.

Aroq

Excellent question and welcome. Thank you for this little nugget.

From thier own literature, it is said that without their direction, you could not understand the scriptures. So maybe you just aren't thinking the way they are.

Or maybe it is becasue those who are in the Org are sooo much closer to Jehovah.

Again, it could be that in those times the org was in its infantcy and thus that specific preacher had not yet come in, but would very soon.

Or the most logical conclusion is IT'S A CULT.

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Witnesses and care of the elderly

by Lynnie in

my uber jw mother fell and broke her arm a couple of weeks ago.

first off no one told me until 5 days later when i called to check in with her.

there was someone staying with her at the time but that person was going to have to go elsewhere for a week.

Aroq

Sadly, it appears she is of no use to them now. This has been my observation, one is only looked to for what they can give and once that is gone so is the support.

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WT for this Sunday...You are My Witnesses

by Legacy in

wt 7/15/2014....page 27...question # 17...what will we consider in the next article...paragraph 17...but how can we be jehovah witnesses and at the same time be witnesses of jesus....well well well...i think they really got the point...all through the greek scriptures, that's what jesus has been saying...we are to witness about him....in the hebrews scriptures was about jehovah god, most of the world got that.

now jehovah, put another spoke in the wheel his son...jesus...that's who paul has been talking about all along...that he was witness of jesus, paul knew who god was.

i think the society monitors sites like these & others & found out....they may have been, uh...wrong....wonder how are they going to spin this one off....i won't read the next article just yet... comments anyone ..... legacy.

Aroq

I read the article and it gives no answer other than being a witness of Jesus is basically being a witness of Jehovah's "new feature", thus Jehovah. This is their spin. It all comes back to the denial of Jesus. Jesus said to be a witness of Him and what He had done. This would give glory to God. The articel clearly admits that Jesus did not say to be a witness of Jehovah, but rather Himself.

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ELDER LIES AND GET'S PRAISED FOR IT! FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME!

by BucketShopBill in

want to know how a lie can turn into a compliment?

only in the jw mindset!!!.

we got called into the dreaded back room after meeting to find two elders wanting to discuss a 'serious' matter with us.

Aroq

You are the one to allow this to happen. You give them the control over you.

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CONVENTION "WARFARE"

by The Searcher in

on saturday evening i prepared three little truthful statements regarding the "new scrolls", and printed out several copies;.

1) the word 'new' does not appear in revelation 20:12.

2) the scrolls are not "new teachings", they are a basis of judgement for those resurrected.. 3) the scrolls are opened after satan is destroyed - not during christ's 1000 year reign!.

Aroq

why the need for a toilet annendant anyway?

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WT required to submit financials in Mexico starting in 2015

by MaybeSo in

"las obligaciones que este nuevo regimen fiscal nos pide: llevar de manera electronica un registro de todas sus operaciones de ingresos y egresos; tener documentacion comprobatoria de cada operacion, acto o actividad; enviar informe contable mensual a traves de la pagina del sat; expedir comprobante fiscal digital por internet (cfdi).".

http://www.elsiglodedurango.com.mx/noticia/535395.con-el-nuevo-regimen-fiscal-la-iglesia-catolica-pagara-impuestos-.html.

roughly traslated: the requirements of the new fiscal system require: to record electronically a ledge of all income and expenses; to record and document all operations, acts or activities, to send a registed monthly report through sat's (kind of like the irs in the us) website, submit comprobante fiscal digidtal por internet (cfdi) (sort of tax form) .

Aroq

hoser, I saw the link you posted and have a question: If armageddon is very soon, then why the long term investments? Would going to college be considered a long term investment?