Posts by objectivetruth

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BITING THE FOOD but getting caught on the HIDDEN HOOK

by Terry in

what happened to all of us?.

we got shit out the ass end of a kingdom hall wondering what the hell happened to us.. we started our journey as believer in the bible and got turned into a steaming pile of apostate crap.. how did it happen?.

we smelled delicious "food" and bit, chewed and swallowed .

objectivetruth

Great Application - iriddle

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BITING THE FOOD but getting caught on the HIDDEN HOOK

by Terry in

what happened to all of us?.

we got shit out the ass end of a kingdom hall wondering what the hell happened to us.. we started our journey as believer in the bible and got turned into a steaming pile of apostate crap.. how did it happen?.

we smelled delicious "food" and bit, chewed and swallowed .

objectivetruth

My view on Hebrew & Greek - Hebrew = Good / Greek = Evil

At some point in ecclesiastical history, someone snatched away the inceptive Hebraic blueprint by which Jesus’ movement was being constructed and replaced it with a non-Hebraic one. As a result, what has been built since is at best a caricature of what was intended. In many respects, it is downright contrary and antagonistic to the spirit of the original believing community.

one of the most fundamental differences between the Greek mind and the Hebrew mind is found in the area of knowing vs. doing. The Greek culture and language are consumed with "knowledge" where as the Hebrew culture was about common sense and putting things into Practice. (knowing the intrinsic meaning of Love, Vs Loving.

Right conduct is the ultimate concern of the Hebrew, right thinking that of the Greek. Duty and strictness of conscience are the paramount things in life for the Hebrew; for the Greek, the spontaneous and luminous play of the intelligence. The Hebrew thus extols the moral virtues as the substance and meaning of life; the Greek subordinates them to the intellectual virtues…the contrast is between practice and theory, between the moral man and the theoretical or intellectual man."

This helps explain why so many Christian churches are focused on the issues of doctrinal orthodoxy (however they may define it) -- often at the expense of godly living. In many Christian circles, what one believes or espouses is treated as more important than how one lives – i.e. how one treats his or her neighbor.

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BITING THE FOOD but getting caught on the HIDDEN HOOK

by Terry in

what happened to all of us?.

we got shit out the ass end of a kingdom hall wondering what the hell happened to us.. we started our journey as believer in the bible and got turned into a steaming pile of apostate crap.. how did it happen?.

we smelled delicious "food" and bit, chewed and swallowed .

objectivetruth

The Hebrew alphabet was written with a script belonging to the Semitic family of languages. The Semitic script followed three basic stages of development, Early, Middle and Late.

The Early Semitic script was pictographic, where each letter represented an object.

The Middle Semitic script is an evolved form of the original pictographic script into a simpler form and used by the different Semitic groups including the Hebrews, Moabites, Ammonites, Arameans.

The Aramaic script of the Arameans in Babylon evolved into the Late Semitic script independently from other Semitic scripts. When the Hebrew people were taken into Babylonian captivity, they adopted the Aramaic script and is still in use today.

Around 1000 BCE, the Greeks adopted the Middle Semitic script, and began to evolve independently over the centuries to become the Greek script used today.

While the Modern Hebrew alphabet consists of twenty-two letters, the evidence suggests that there were additional letters in the original Semitic and Hebrew alphabet. One of the ancient Semitic languages of Canaan was Ugarit. This ancient language is almost identical to the Hebrew language of the Bible but, instead of consisting of twenty-two letters it has twenty-eight letters. One of the major differences between Ugarit and Hebrew is the additional letter "ghah". Some Evidence, suggests that the letter "ghah" exists within the Hebrew text of the Bible.

The strongest evidence of the missing ghah can be found in two different meanings of one Hebrew word. The Hebrew word ra’ can mean “friend” or “bad” .

Some Additional dual meaning words, that have developed :

Infant/Wicked

Profit/Goat

Heed/Answer

Weary/Darkness

Skin/Blind

Shephard/Break

Naked/Crafty

The reason that I said that ancient Hebrew is Superior is..

We usually associate two characteristics for each letter, a form and a sound, as in the first letter of our alphabet whose form is "A" and has the sound "a". The Ancient Hebrew alphabet has four characteristics: form, sound, name and meaning.

Form

The original letter is pictographic, meaning it represents a picture of something, such as the letter (can't paste letter) representing a mouth. The original form is determined by examining the archeological record of ancient Semitic inscriptions and other related scripts such as the South Arabian and Punic. The name of the letter will help to determine the original pictograph.

Name

Each pictograph is associated with a single syllable of two consonants. This syllable is also the name of the letter. The name of the letter (can't paste letter) is "p e h" and is also the Hebrew word for "mouth". The name is determined by comparing the various names of this letter as used in Semitic languages as well as other non Semitic languages that have adopted the Semitic alphabet.

Meaning

The mnemonic meaning of a pictograph is the extended meanings related to the pictograph. These mnemonic meanings most often are related to the pictograph by their function rather than appearance. For example, the letter (can't paste letter) has the extended mnemonic meanings, speak, blow and open, functions of the mouth.

Sound

The first letter of the syllabic name provides a singular sound for the purpose of forming words and sentences. The phonetic value of the letter (can't paste letter) is therefore a "p". The original sound is determined by comparing the sound of the letter as used in other Semitic languages as well as non-Semitic languages that have adopted the Semitic alphabet.

Beyond these 4 Charecteristics, there are additional methods of Interpreting the PROPER meaning and sense of a word, is by noting where the Word first appears in the NT.

One example if the issue that has transpired even from Hebrew to English , is found in the English word "Teach"

Teach as found in The KJV bible actually Represents 20 different Hebrew words, all with significantly different meanings.

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How many here (believers) believe in the Hell fire doctrine and why??

by jam in

jw
friends

it's obvious the bible is very clear on a actual hell of fire.

"cursed into the eternal fire with the devil and his angels", rev.20:15.

"lake of fire", rev.21:8 "fire and brimstone".

objectivetruth

What if Hell Is similar to the world in which we live right now? Just a thought..

In Relity I think that the Book of Revelation is the most Manipulated and unreliable book in the Bible, so mkst of what it says I don't take serious or at face Value.

Many people agree that Revation was written in Hebrew, but later Destroyed and Reaced by the Greek Versions.

with this in mind ita absurd to base your understanding of after life on 3-4 scriptures.

If you want to understand the lake of fire better, take. Look at the book of Enoch.

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BITING THE FOOD but getting caught on the HIDDEN HOOK

by Terry in

what happened to all of us?.

we got shit out the ass end of a kingdom hall wondering what the hell happened to us.. we started our journey as believer in the bible and got turned into a steaming pile of apostate crap.. how did it happen?.

we smelled delicious "food" and bit, chewed and swallowed .

objectivetruth

The Bible does contain Mans words as opposed to Gods. This is not because God didn't inspire the Bible.

The Bible was written in Ancient Hebrew, which is a superior language tI any Language that exists today,including modern Hebrew.

So when Ancient Hebrew is translated over and over to the progressive Hebrew Forms, then it is Translayes to Greek & Then English it is destined to be flawed.

Add to that different Creeds translating to match their doctrine.. And you have a product that is Now Mans Word.

This doesn't matter though.. All that is needed for Salvation is found in the Lessons of the Sermon on the Mount.

We would be fine without the Bible all together,since truth is built into our Hearts , and Jesus Gave All MEN Life.

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10 Pragmatic facts why Jehovah's Witnesses can't face reality

by Terry in

jw
friends

1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own version, interpretations and meanings.. a.only watchtower approved publications are allowed.. b.no higher education is to be pursued.. c.no non-jw friends or associations are encouraged with their "outside" points of view.. d.no free-style questioning of doctrine or criticism permitted.

curiousity is verboten.. e.threat of being "marked" or disassociated looms over them.

2.between every real-world event and the rank and file jw's mind is a roadblock.. a.the moment of identifying is short-circuited by an interpretive moment of re-labeling in watchtower-speak.. b.all things happening are forced into a narrow storyline and propagandized as end times happenings leading to armageddon.. 3.social and personal identity is expunged and replaced by a collective persona: "jehovah's witness".. a.private thinking is red-flagged as selfish and sinful.. b.personal improvement, welfare and ambition is crushed and door-to-door ministry substituted as "worthy" endeavors.. c.self-conscious obsession permeates witness awareness as each person is transformed into a public spectacle of performance for judgement.. d.since you aren't an individual you don't really have a right to fall in love and marry or educate or earn.

objectivetruth

"Watchtower-Speak" - I like this term.

Good Job Terry

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Misappropriation of funds (Project for an Assembly Hall in Guadalajara)

by avaddohn94 in

at the extj.com forum, a very serious scandal is being discussed regarding a potential misappropriation of funds by mexico's branch.. http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?24740-denuncia--quot-proyecto-fantasma-quot-salon-de-asambleas-de-guadalajara-o-robo-de-fondos.

though the situation may not be quite uncommon, below you will find an overview:.

a member of mexico's branch committee went to guadalajara to inform the brothers that a plot of land had been donated for the construction of an assembly hall.

objectivetruth

avaddohn94 - Thank you for your effort, and the work you put into translating this.. It's very important to make efforts at closing the Gaps between languages. Take care

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Abraham Still Considered part of Great Crowd? Not being found worthy of Everlasting Life?

by objectivetruth in

does anyone know of a wt or wt book, that states abraham will be tested again and then judged based on his deeds during the millenium?.

essentiallly claiming that, after god testing abraham, with the sacrifice of isaac, he will tell him that he has to pass the same test that the resurrcted unrighteous have to pass.

i know that this is a teaching that is required by holding to the 2 class belief, but i haven't found any artocles on it.. any ideas?.

objectivetruth

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh I hate tryin to figure out this mangled,tangled,mad mess of Craziness

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Abraham Still Considered part of Great Crowd? Not being found worthy of Everlasting Life?

by objectivetruth in

does anyone know of a wt or wt book, that states abraham will be tested again and then judged based on his deeds during the millenium?.

essentiallly claiming that, after god testing abraham, with the sacrifice of isaac, he will tell him that he has to pass the same test that the resurrcted unrighteous have to pass.

i know that this is a teaching that is required by holding to the 2 class belief, but i haven't found any artocles on it.. any ideas?.

objectivetruth

Does anyone know of a WT or WT Book, that states Abraham will be tested again and then Judged based on his deeds during the Millenium?

Essentiallly claiming that, after God testing Abraham, With the sacrifice of Isaac, he will tell him that he has to pass the same test that the Resurrcted Unrighteous have to pass.

I know that this is a teaching that is required by holding to the 2 class belief, but I haven't found any Artocles on it.. Any ideas?

Thanks

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Are all JWs united in their beliefs?

by enigma1863 in

so i used to think that all witnesses believed the same exact thing but i have heard some claims that they believe things i'm not familiar with.

do you know if it's true?

objectivetruth

Drewcoul - "

This is actually something is taught, but not explcitly. This creates a paradox to which there are no real good answers. Basically, you could get a witness to say that it's no better to be a Witness than a non-witness so long as you die before Armageddon.

So, it ends up like this: Don't be a witness and hope armageddon doesn't come in your lifetime, or be a Witness and hope it does. Armageddon is basically the only time you're better off being a witness. They would have a hard time admitting it, but it is found in their doctrine."

Nicely Stated!

Its so absurd that they teach that the great crowd, (who are said to have salvation in Revelation), will have a final test, at the end of the Millenium.