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  144000 Literal or Figurative?

  by why144000 in

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  2. friends

  the speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.

  how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.

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  With this in Mind, I do not feel that 144,000 has to be Literal.

  The number twelve speaks of governmental perfection or rule.

  1000 has the same meaning as 100 and as 10. Because 1000=10x10x10, and 100=10x10. The meaning is COMPLETENESS of God's plan.

  14 is the double of 7, which implies Biblical perfection.

  The fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover, when God delivered the firstborn of Israel from death. Some 430 years earlier, on the night of the 14th day of the first month, God made two covenant promises to Abraham — one of the physical seed, Isaac, and his descendants, and one of the spiritual seed, Jesus Christ, and the sons of God who would come through Him, who would shine like the stars of heaven (Matthew 13:43). On the day portion of the 14th, God confirmed the promises with a special covenant sacrifice.
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  144000 Literal or Figurative?

  by why144000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.

  how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.

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  Within the Body of Christ - (Gentile Christians) It would not make sense to have 2 Classes, seeing that they all have Jesus as their Ransom, and their Requirements of faith are all the same, although Due Credit may be given to Christians that have ben Beheaded and or Martyred.

  However Jews come through the Seed of Abraham, and seeing that Many Jews Rejected Jesus, and turned to Worshiping False Gods, it Absolutely makes Sense that "144,000" would be Elected & Receive special Treatment, those that did not Reject Jesus, and have remained Faithful to YHWH and Yeshua.

  You can get an idea for this concept here :

  Romans 11:7 " What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,"

  Romans 11:11 - " So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous."

  Romans 11:16 - " If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches."

  11:18 -"do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you."

  11:20 "They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith."

  11:28 - " As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers."

  11:29 - " For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  Anomaly & All others,

  Wow! Thank you so. Uch for your input, I can see that you have all spent a lot of time on this.

  I will check out gentile times reconsidered..

  one other question, does any one feel that Daniel 11:21-45 possibly applies to Nazi Germany and Hitler during ww2?
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  144000 Literal or Figurative?

  by why144000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.

  how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.

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  If the Number is Literal, shouldn't the Tribes be Literal as well?

  If literal only Jews comprise the 144,000
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  The Dilaudid Delusion

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hey folks.

  just need to check in.

  due to an injury, i had to start taking some pretty powerful pain killers and stayed on them for about 1 1/2 months until i finally had surgery this past wednesday.

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  Usually when I am experiencing withdrawals from one type of drug, I just substitute it with another drug with different effects.

  Coming off a downer > Take an upper
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  A new religion??

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  was the ot books of the bible an attempt by the priestly class of the hebrews to build a religion.

  i have discovered that some of the 10 commandments may have come from hammurabi's laws.

  tithing 10% coming from the egyptians and phoenicians, the god el which is named in genesis as the supreme god came from the canaanites, several of the verses and stories in the bible taken from other cultures.

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  Where is El at in Genesis?
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  The first period of seventy years spanned from 606 BC until 537 BC, known as the Babylonian Captivity. The second period of 70 years came 19 years later from 587 BC until 518 BC, which was known as the period of Jerusalem’s Desolation's . On the 9th of Av 587 BC, the Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.

  From what I have found.. This is an accurate statement. Agree?
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  objectivetruth

  Hi Everyone,

  I'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the Destruction of Jerusalem..

  I'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather I'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.

  What is your view on relying on the Cyrus Cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction..

  I know that there are MANY other factors.. But I'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so I'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the Cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607

  One other question.. Is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?
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  Factual, false, or phenomenon?

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this strikes me as strange.

  in the last few years i have met four newly associated, and in a couple of cases baptized, brothers in the congregations who say that they did long stints in secret branches of the military and that they were behind the lines, "wet work" operatives.

  i might have considered it exceptional that one person who served in such a capacity would even go to church, let alone join up with the likes of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Perhaps there are other factors in play? Might your location have anything to do with it? Is there a military base in your town?

  I wonder if the 4 of them know each other.
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  Life in Pakistan

  by JWdaughter in

  1. social
  2. current

  i live in texas, houston, and pakistan is not a shock to me since i have lived and travelled abroad, but i thought i would share some of the things i have noticed with you.. no one has microwaves.. their toilets are very modern flush toilets-flush with the floor.. the showers well, no stall, no tubs.

  just a big room with a toilet and a sink and a shower faucet.. the electricity goes off at regular intervals during the day.

  would not freak me out so much if we had any windows in this house!

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  The People from Pakistan really are Amazing, caring and giving people.