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I have been challenged

by SpiceItUp in

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my father has told me that if i can disprove the bible on any point he will discontinue beliveing in it.. i will be the first to admit that bible theology is not my strong point so i need any help that i can get.. thanks in advance

Blueblades

SpiceItUp, Turn the tables on him.Tell him its not about disproving the Bible on any point,but,for him to prove with the Bible his many points.For example:

Interpreting the Bible: Ask, can a person read the Bible on his own and come up with the truth? If he says no,then how are the proofs established.If he says yes,then tell him that the Society teaches that it is the only one that has the right to interpret the Bible.On what valid basis can the leaders make this claim?

Also,Scholars themselves have always been at odds with proving and disproving the Bible on many points of doctrine and belief systems.So, the question is a trick question that should be placed back in his court to prove to you his points of belief.

When using the NWT.he can be challenged by using the "Kingdom Interlinear of the Greek Scriptures,1969 and 1985 versions by the Society along side of the NWT. and he will see how the Society has changed the Greek words to fit their interpretations.

If it is any help, the society says Jesus died on an upright stake, pages 1149,1150.in the kingdom interlinear, however , the How Can Blood Save Your Life Brochure show the christians dying by being executed on crosses. Blueblades

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Most Confusing Books to Understand

by JH in

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what book did you find the hardest to understand at the book study?

we studied the book "revelation its grand climax at hand!

" three times at the book study, and i found it very confusing each time.

Blueblades

JH, It is the NWT, Christian Greek Scriptures side by side with the two Kingdom Interlinear's 1969 and 1985, words and verses have been changed to fit a doctrine and or teaching.JH,I know that you are already aware of this .I don't want to get into all the different examples ,but, there are many verses that those with a critical eye can see how the Society confuses the reader. Blueblades

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What's Your Sign?

by minimus in

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as witnesses, we were admonished to never look at horoscopes because they are demonic.

many jw's that i knew of would not even look at a fortune cookie because they could be "demonized".

i read my gemini everyday.

Blueblades

minimus, my wife and I are boyh Gemini's.

How about an extended Horoscope form T.V. Guides' Sally Brompton.(Jan.18-24 issue last page)

Gemini: (May 22--June 21) This is going to be a good week, as the sun enters one of the most positive areas of your chart;Venus and Jupiter, planets of love and luck, are perfectly aligned; and Mercury,your ruler,moves in your favor.What does that mean in plain language?It makes it hard for you to lose.

I find no reason to believe in any of this . I posted it just for you my friend. Blueblades

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"Clarification Of Beliefs"...REALLY?

by minimus in

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the 1986-2000 wt.

index has a section under dates----clarification of beliefs.

it lists 57 points of clarification from 1872 to 2000. here's just a few examples of "new light".......1884...sheep & the goats....1923....the same....1995...the same........1925.....armageddon....1926...the same....1929.....superior authorities....1962....the same......1935.....chronology....1943...the same.....1944...the same.............in additional to obvious flip-flops, other theocratic clarification occured such as, 1947...polygamy.....1937..."other sheep" appointed to responsible positions and my all time favorite-----1992....the nethinim and sons of the servants of solomon after exile.......isn't just wonderful how the lite gets brighter and brighter?.

Blueblades

HELLO MINIMUS,Clarification of Beliefs falls under Watchtower Euphemisms that refer to failed prophecies.For example: Clarification equals:

Errors = Mistakes = Misinterpretations = Misunderstandings = Premature Expectations = Mistakes in their Understanding = Matters on which Corrections of Viewpoints have been needed = Unrealized Hopes = Misplaced Expectations = Inaccurate Concepts = Views in need of Refinements = Serious Disppointments = Formerly Cherished Views . But, NEVER," FALSE PROPHECIES ".

All of these EUPHEMISMS have now been indexed as what you have brought to our attention,.......

CLARIFICATION OF BELIEFS....REALLY ! As always Minimus you are on top of your game.

Blueblades

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Peace March around the World

by JH in

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i watched the news on tv, and i saw reports of thousands of people all around the world asking for peace instead of war.

do you think that these peace rallies will really make a difference?.

do you think that these peace rallies will influence the president of the united states?

Blueblades

OK,Lets pack up and come home. Then when you are put in harms way don't call on your country to save you from harms way .Ask those opposed to the U.S.A. to save you.Just say to them peace brother,peace and they will put down their weapons of war and give you a big hug and kiss.

Blueblades

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WARNING.....demon attached to object?

by JNS2 in

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after all the years of having it drilled in my head that demons could attach themselves to an object i now wonder: is that just more jw bull****?

am i still reacting to the years of brainwashing or is there really a concern about what one brings into their home?.

anybody have any thoughts on this????

Blueblades

JNS2,I was not talking about the teaching of the wt.society .The book I recommended shows pictures and symbols of the occult hidden right inside the literature.Someone inside is planting these occult images in the societys literature,books,brochures and magazines.You will find the book very interesting. THE HOUR of DARKNESS, by DAREK BAREFOOT.

BAREFOOT was a third generation witness and began his investigation in 1987.Before it was finished, his business office would be searched and his private correspondence stolen.His eleven--year marriage would be destroyed and he along with five members of his family would be formally shunned and condemned by fellow witnesses, including relatives and life-long friends.

I know your question was about demons being attach to object.This book goes right inside the publications themselves where-in symbols and signs and objects and pictures of the occult are implanted . Blueblades

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IS GOD DOING ENOUGH ?

by Blueblades in

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god has long been accused of " not doing enough ".

have you ever seen the look in someones eyes,of having been wounded,hurt,and ,worst of all disappointed.perhaps their trust was betrayed.it wasn't fair,it was not right,it wasn't called for.they had a dagger placed in their already fragile heart.. or, have you ever held the hand of someone you love as they passed on and you suffered with them as they gasp their last breath.. or,has the last visit to the doctor brought you devatating news.procedures and options were laid out before you like a menu as you tried to cope with all that was said moments ago about your condition.unwelcome statistics and visions of treatment and suffering dance across your mind like flames in a fire.. questions pile up in innumerable amounts, and again you wonder.....why would a loving god do this?if he's really there can't he stop the madness we experience in the course of this life?.

have you had these questions burning in your heart?is god doing enough?

Blueblades

GOD has long been accused of " Not Doing Enough "

Have you ever seen the look in someones eyes,of having been wounded,hurt,and ,worst of all disappointed.Perhaps their trust was betrayed.It wasn't fair,it was not right,it wasn't called for.They had a dagger placed in their already fragile heart.

Or, have you ever held the hand of someone you love as they passed on and you suffered with them as they gasp their last breath.

Or,has the last visit to the doctor brought you devatating news.Procedures and options were laid out before you like a menu as you tried to cope with all that was said moments ago about your condition.Unwelcome statistics and visions of treatment and suffering dance across your mind like flames in a fire.

Questions pile up in innumerable amounts, and again you wonder.....Why would a loving God do this?If He's really there can't He stop the madness we experience in the course of this life?

Have you had these questions burning in your heart?Is God doing enough? Blueblades

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While God watches....

by Shakita in

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this absolutely sickened me........... http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cv=ca01.

and, god sits up there on his thone watching it all happen, over and over again........ mrs. shakita.

Blueblades

YIZUMAN, I do appreciate your thoughts,but,let me clarify a couple of misconceptions you made about me.I am neither angry nor complaining.The Prophets of old asked God the same questions that I raised in my post responses.I do not use double talk in any of my posts.

Double talk is ambiguous and deceptive talk.Now when you say that I'm angry,complaing and using double talk ,you have approached my sincere questions with a AD HOMINEM meaning to the man, augument which consists of an attack on the person arued against instead of on his argument.

I read your post and the link you provided.There is no connection between me and that young man.The life experiences of yourself and him are indeed very personal and intimate with God.I can neither prove or disprove anyones experiences with God.And neither do I ever do so.

I never approved of those who commit capital crimes etc.or that they should go free of accountability.

I am 60 yrs old married with a family.We been JWS for over 32yrs.We have prayed and served God all that time and now there is a big hole in our hearts.

All I have been asking of God is to end the human suffering of the innocent ones,put a stop to growing old physically with all the decrepit sickness that we suffer as we grow old and then die.

You concurred with me when you said that ,"ONE DAY SOON",that there will be a day when God will impose his will and do just that.All I'm saying is ,Jesus died 2,000 yrs ago ,the debt has been paid,why the long wait for the payment here on earth now, not in some afterlife.People need relief on earth now, not in some future afterlife.I don't have the answers only the honest questions.Blueblades

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WARNING.....demon attached to object?

by JNS2 in

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after all the years of having it drilled in my head that demons could attach themselves to an object i now wonder: is that just more jw bull****?

am i still reacting to the years of brainwashing or is there really a concern about what one brings into their home?.

anybody have any thoughts on this????

Blueblades

Check out "Jehovah's Witnesses & the HOUR of DARKNESS" by Derek Barefoot.You just might find that demon attached to objects is prevalent in the literature of the Society. Blueblades

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If You Won A Million Dollars, What Would You Do?

by minimus in

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.....a 2 part question.......1--- if you were still a witness and you played the lottery and won and 2--------if you won, right now.

Blueblades

My dad use to watch a t.v. show called " FOLLOW the SUN ",do you remember it? A couple of folks on a huge sail boat or something like that following the sun around the world. I would like to try that for a while.Then because I like to read,I would have to include a huge library with soundproofing to enjoy those quiet moments to myself.

I would be generous where the need was.Remember the t.v. show "The MILLIONAIRE " where Michael Anthony went around representation a rich recluse who gave away millions to people on the basis that they would not reveal where they got the money from.

Well, that is a good policy to follow.I would not reveal that I came into a million dollars. Blueblades