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  New congregation accounting system

  by thedog1 in

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  i'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.

  i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.

  this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.

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  4thgen

  Why all the excitement? We know the corporate desires come before the needs of the flock. Just more proof.
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  Argument with my Child "Why did I stay in the Organization so long?" Anger and Bitter Feelings.

  by RottenRiley in

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  2. friends

  last night my third oldest child wanted to know why we stayed in the organization so long.

  child is a third year college student enjoying all the classes this "wicked system" has to offer, the insatiable appetite for learning makes him want to argue and debate, i don't have the energy to debate because i don't feel good with all life has thrown our way.. .

  "the only reason i went to meetings so long was because grandma and grandpa needed somebody to take them to meetings and cobe aunt and uncle and secretary aunt and uncle refused to talk to grandma for years, otherwise i would have stopped attending the kingdom hall because the kids were assholes and i was always the one who had to make "first contact", "i was the one who had to go around and meet and greet newbies while the regular jw wall-flowers (calebs) ignored all the visitors and new persons visiting our kingdom hall.

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  Do you feel dissappointed? Duped? Betrayed ? Maybe angry? Get on tbe same wavelength. You are not the enemy....getting a common ground may work
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  Has the Governing Body Become More or Less Authoritarian in Recent Years?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that this is a no-brainer but i have been out since '96.. so based on your personal experiences what do you think?.

  lots more - a bit more - just the same as always - less - a lot less?.

  if you think more or lots more can you spot a time or event when it started to change?.

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  They have been getting tighter and tighter as their curtian is pulled back further, bringing all their hidden issues to light.
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  Why do the GB need a new Bethel compound if the end is so close? Here is the "official" answer

  by sir82 in

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  as most of us know, the society is spending 10's of millions of dollars on a giant, state of the art, secluded bunker country club headquarters in very remote, isolated warwick ny.. the question that "some" have is, why?

  if armageddon is coming "very soon", why go to all that time & effort & expense?

  why have thousands of jws dedicating their time to this massive effort instead of the "lifesaving ministry"?.

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  While their at it, why not build a very nice home near San Diego so it can house the faithful men of old in the new system?????
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  Six years , new location , no love.

  by smiddy in

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  2. friends

  i had never thought about this that much until now.

  my wife and i have been living in this community for over 6 years now , and nobody has ever called upon my wife or myself for that matter, to encourage us back to the meetings as jehovahs witnesses , who have become inactive /faded .. the same goes for my son and his wife , who live in the same area , have never been contacted with the intent of trying to re-activate them.. admittedly, only a couple of times in these past 6 years we both my son and i , have had witnesses call upon us in the normal d2d work , without acknowledging if ever they knew we were non practicising witnesses .

  hard to beleive since my neice is in the local congregation , and is aware of our former congregations that we attended .. to cap it off , a few of our "freinds" who know where we are have never ever offered any encouragement or support in trying to get us back to their "truth ".

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  It is so telling. We haven't attended in 2 years. Only one pioneer sister has kept in touch (to count time???) An elder does phone occasionally when my active elderly mother cannot be reached. NEVER has he asked how me or my family are. only asks @ my mother. ***hole!

  Not a Christlike man in the bunch. Only company men.
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  What's the Watchtower's View of Dedicating Your Time To Charity? Food-bank, Helping Poor Get Benefits, Big Brother, ect..

  by RottenRiley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you know of anyone who sucessfully dedicated time to charity without getting bad mouthed by witness elders?

  we had a sister in creepside congregation who got a lot of lip when she was working for the food bank for free.

  the jehovah's witnesses elders hinted, used the watchtower study to say "jehovah's people are ambassadors to satan's world and know the real solution is god's kingdom".

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  If a JW volunteers to help the community, they are viewed as lacking faith in God to solve the problems of the world.
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  Gum Chewing....Allowed in your hall or not?

  by LostGeneration in

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  2. friends

  so when i attended, this was never an issue - its been five years since i was booted.

  a bit before i woke up, a couple visiting us (middle america) from the deep south basically told me this never, ever was allowed in their hall.

  no 'priveleges' for a guy who chewed gum.

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  Gum is evil! Imagine sitting at the Watchtower, in the front row, short skirt, low cut blouse, tattoos and chewing gum with an open mouth.
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  UN & Recent Catholic development & The future of organized religion

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there were recent two posts that got me to thinking...the first was on the topic of if rank and file should be excused and the second was from a person whose mother who was in her 80s excited about the un and the catholic child abuse issue, believing the great tribulation was near.. as with the ways of the world, eventually the governments may get tired of all the abuses that are perpetrated by religions against their citizens; and action maybe be taken.

  it can quickly become a worldwide human rights issue, as not many citizens actually condone child abuse.. of course if organized religion is turned upside down, a great amount of wealth may return to the governments, which could begin to bring the world economy back into balance.. so, it appears at this point in time there is a possibility that the u.n. may turn on religion eventually.

  (like the jw speak?

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  4thgen

  There were recent two posts that got me to thinking…the first was on the topic of if rank and file should be excused and the second was from a person whose mother who was in her 80’s excited about the UN and the Catholic child abuse issue, believing the great tribulation was near.

  As with the ways of the world, eventually the governments may get tired of all the abuses that are perpetrated by religions against their citizens; and action maybe be taken. It can quickly become a worldwide human rights issue, as not many citizens actually condone child abuse.

  Of course if organized religion is turned upside down, a great amount of wealth may return to the governments, which could begin to bring the world economy back into balance.

  So, it appears at this point in time there is a possibility that the U.N. may turn on religion eventually. (Like the JW speak? ) IF that is the case, where does that leave honest hearted people who wish to believe in God, whether they are Catholics, Jdubs, Baptists or anyone?

  Could things eventually be as the old John Lennon song “Imagine” said, with a world ‘at peace, with no religion, too?’

  Just thought I’d stir up a little hornets nest today. There is bound to be many difffering opinions on this subject.
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  Witness calls to tell me UN is attacking the Catholic Church, it has begun!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the poor thing is 86 and was told by a friend with "the internet" that the catholic church is being attacked by the un!

  the tribulation is at hand.

  well, if you consider a report on molestation coverups the end of religion, watch out wt, they are coming for you next.

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  Poor thing. Well even though it isnt what she thinks she may die happy and full of hope. Shes been decieved and it may be a kindness to just let her remain in her ignorance in her remaing years. After all how much time does she have left? I ask myself all the time 'would ttatt actually help or would it shatter my old mum.'

  Its so sad and at the same time so maddening that I want to SCREAM!
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  Can we excuse the R&F for ever ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  generally i go along with it when posters express pity and sympathy for the r&f jw's.

  i feel this way toward them too, to a degree.. but where do we draw the line ?

  we know that jw's do not have a conscience of their own really, they are told how to think and act, and they have to obey.. just as those living in nazi germany were told how to think and act, and had to obey.. but, " i was just following orders " was not taken as a valid defense at nuremburg.. as the wt descends in to becoming more and more like north korea in its do not question, simply obey !

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  4thgen

  Yes they share some responsibility however remember they are members of a spiritually abusive religion. They are victomized by men who want total control.Sure some will wake up but how many actually have the courage to leave? Unless they are intentionally being abusive I do not believe we should not blame the victims. Some sheep are just plain ignorant. Its the ones who intentionally spread lies knowingly that should be held accountable