Remote Viewing

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bboynekosgirlfriend

People used to believe a whole lot of weird things that science later showed had no backing. People believed that bleeding helped cure people. Science showed that this did not help, but actually harmed many people.

Then why do they still use leech therapy in some cases today? I thought that was controlled bleeding used to 'reduce tissue congestion in areas where arterial input is maintained but venous return is severely compromised...leech therapy has been used successfully as adjunct therapy following cosmetic or reconstructive surgery, reimplantation surgery such as digit reattachment, breast surgery, scalp avulsions, skin graft procedures and in the treatment of periorbital hematomas.'
science:Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
yay..so i have science on this subject.
But then again science is based on theoretical explenations so it's only theoretical knowledge?....science confuses me.
Otherwise, I'd have to ask you why you don't believe there is an invisible pink unicorn living inside my head. When you understand that, then you will understand where I'm coming from.
Maybe i do. And i never said i didn't understand where you are coming from. I totally see your point of view but it doesn't stop me from stating my opinion.
The conclusion i came to is that is can't be proven OR disproven. Tests seem to be inconclusive either way. I think this is mostly because we just have too little understanding of these abilities AND these abilities are still farely weak in people. There is no fair way to test such abilities. Having someone who has never experienced it make a test is like asking my doctor to give me a test in computer programing. It won't do a good job of proving my programming abilities.
And again i won't label it as psi. To me it's just a skill. I have no idea how it works and i don't claim to. I am also not out there taking advantage of old people and acctually have great reluctance to do it even for my boyfriend because it kind of weirds me out. I hate the people who ridicule this skill with false claims as much as you do but i don't agree with beleiving that EVERYONE claiming these abilities is fraudulent. It's liek saying just because a doctor misdiagnosed an illness that all doctors are incompitent.
But i enjoy your posts. Being made to think is enjoyable. Thankyou.
larc

bboy's friend,
There is a distinct difference between leach therapy and the obsolete practice of blood letting. If you don't know the difference, I will explain it to you.
You said that science is only "theoretical knowledge." Wrong. Theories are used to explain a large number of well established facts. If science "confuses" you, you should take a basic class in chemistry and physics.
You said there is "no way to test these purported psychic abilities". Wrong again. Any ability can be tested. Your example of computer programing abilities and a doctor is an especially weak one. Programming abilities are tested all the time. There are at least 20 validated studies that have tested this ability. Obviously, not by medical doctors.
Because these purported psychic abilities are "weak" does not mean they can't be tested either. Science has been successful in testing many very weak phenomena.
LDH

I usually stay out of debates about people with gifts. However, since the age of 12 I have also had unbelievable deja vu.
I don't know if there is another name for it. The most startling one I can remember is based on an experience when I was around 15. I went to help build the two day hall in Naples, NY. I had never been to Naples, never seen any of the design plans for the hall, NOTHING.
And yet when I got there, there was just a cement pad poured and yet I saw the hall. The entire color scheme, the covered driveway, EVERYTHING. It was really bizarre.
I also called my girlfriend last year to ask her did she just have an accident, and she was on the side of the road with her fender torn off. I saw the accident as it was happening.
Now as far as what running man says, there has to be a receptor and a sender to receive any communication, may or may not be true.
Consider this point: A tree crashing in the forest does not make a sound until someone is there to interpret the vibrations into sound. The tree still crashes, there are still sound waves sent out. But until there is an ear there to convert the vibrations into sound, no sound is present.
Perhaps there are a million brainsignals flying through the airwaves and it's not till someone 'receives' one that it becomes communication. Perhaps some of us just walk into these signals more often than others; or perhaps because some are not in tune with the universe they believe them to not be there at all.
My hubby never beleived me because I always told him 'after the fact' that I 'knew' something. So now I have started telling him before the fact. And although he doesn't believe I am psychic (shit, I don't even beleive that) he is a little more open minded about it all.
julien

Would anyone here like to buy some magic beans? They are really powerful magic beans, I ordered them from my psychic friend at the psychic friends network. Now before you skeptics jump on me I have to tell you that I planted one and eventually it grew, just like I dreamed it would! Later I had a vision in which my grandmother (who hates beans) told me to sell them or get rid of them, they are too magic for me. So as you can see these beans also allow you to see visions of my dead grandmother. Note: these beans are shy about showing their magicness, so only believers should buy them. To a skeptic they would appear to be normal beans. Also one time when I was little I had a daydream about the supermarket. Another time after I was older I got a job at the same supermarket!!!? weird stuff like this happens to me all the time. And this was even before I got the magic beans.
LDH: can you be more specific about these "brain signals"?? because I think those are what magic beans run on.
bboyneko 2

My hubby never beleived me because I always told him 'after the fact' that I 'knew' something. So now I have started telling him before the fact. And although he doesn't believe I am psychic (shit, I don't even beleive that) he is a little more open minded about it all.

I never beleived saffron either until she showed me like 10 times. Extrordinary denial requires extraordinary proof :) What you describe is not at all unusual, and there are many more who do what you. Maybe you should participate in this remote viewing experiment, or I can set one up for you by picking a target. let me know ok?
Now as for
LDH: can you be more specific about these "brain signals"?? because I think those are what magic beans run on.
Can you people PLEASE stop ridiculing people with these claims? Do you really beleive they are ALL crazy? That they are ALL dellusional and ignorant? If you saw something in exact detail before you physicaly went to see it, would you discount it as temporary insanity?
Please let's have respect for each other.
-Dan
bboyneko 2

sci·ence (sns)
n.
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

We See gravity work, we just theorize HOW it works. We could be totally wrong. We see evolution work, we theorize as to the extent at which it works. We see light and theorize as to what it is composed of and its nature, HOW it works.
PSI, I have observed as a fact just as i have observed gravity. For me the only question is to HOW it works.
-Dan
julien

Can you people PLEASE stop ridiculing people with these claims? Do you really beleive they are ALL crazy? That they are ALL dellusional and ignorant? If you saw something in exact detail before you physicaly went to see it, would you discount it as temporary insanity?

oops did I offend?
to answer your question yes I think people who believe in this stuff are deluded. If I saw something in exact detail before I physically went to see it? My first assumption would be that my memory was wrong. Memories can be really fuzzy things; they are often subconciously 'adjusted' upon recall to fit current perception of facts..
LDH

Julien I would hate to be your girlfriend. (sake of arguement we'll assume you're a boy).
Your incredulity leads me to wonder if you've ever been able to interpret special looks your girl gives you across the room. You know, those looks that 'say' everything without 'saying' anything.
That, too, is a different type of communication than what can be explained scientifically!
Imagine a groupd of scientist trying to quantify a woman telling them, "I KNOW he wants me. I can tell by his look."
I feel sorry for you. Beleive me, I've never dialed Miss Cleo nor any other psychic. Then again, I have traveled all over the world and have experienced MANY things that you and others have not. Maybe you think those experiences never happened to me either? Or maybe you think just because you can't 'see' a signal it doesn't exist. You sound like the old- fashioned naysayers who decried radio signals as demonic because they traveled thru the air with no apparent explanation!
Dan, I don't think I've ever had a remote viewing experience. I do think I have an overwhelmingly strong sense of deja vu, cause I don't know what else to call it.
Lisa
bboynekosgirlfriend

You said that science is only "theoretical knowledge." Wrong. Theories are used to explain a large number of well established facts. If science "confuses" you, you should take a basic class in chemistry and physics.

Um...that was directly from, the dictionary:
sci·ence (sns)
n.
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
As for the later part of your statement don't worry i was taking college science classes in highschool so i'm good. And yet i still find science to be imperfect and condracdictory so go figure. I am in agreement that science is far from black and white. it's a bunch of people fumbling around in the dark finding a light switch here and there. I admire them cause i won't do it.
You said there is "no way to test these purported psychic abilities". Wrong again. Any ability can be tested. Your example of computer programing abilities and a doctor is an especially weak one. Programming abilities are tested all the time. There are at least 20 validated studies that have tested this ability. Obviously, not by medical doctors.
i think you completely missed the point. not once did i maintain that there were no tests for programming!?!?! My point was simply that you can't have someone making a test for something they have no expertese in as it makes for an unfare test. You wouldn't ask an english teacher to write problems for a math book would you?
And I DON'T beleive any ability can be tested until it is understood.
How can you test hdusahruerbf if you don't know what hdusahruerbf is?
magic beans give me gas but thanks anyway.
julien

That, too, is a different type of communication than what can be explained scientifically!

Are you serious? This type of communication absolutely can be studied and absolute is being studied.
Imagine a groupd of scientist trying to quantify a woman telling them, "I KNOW he wants me. I can tell by his look."
It's called facial expression and body language. It is practiced by humans and other social mammals. I would be astonished to meet any scientist who was confused by nonverbal communication.

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