by Honesty 146 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Someone please explain the following:
John 20:27-29 Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.”
Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Those who believe without seeing are blessed.”
Good evening to you, Honesty:
I think of it like this... I'm a great one for saying ..."Oh God" or "My God!" when I'm flabbergasted. Maybe that's what he was doing? Because Thomas knew it was God who got the credit for the ressurection of the Christ. So it was like he was addressing God, as well as Christ for the miracle.
I think of it like this... I'm a great one for saying ..."Oh God" or "My God!" when I'm flabbergasted. Maybe that's what he was doing? Because Thomas knew it was God who got the credit for the ressurection of the Christ. So it was like he was addressing God, as well as Christ for the miracle.
Well put.
Why didn't he simply say, "My God" instead of what he did say, which was:
Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
The Jews believed in only one God. They didn't believe in a literal son of God, either.
Do a little research on Jewish customs and beliefs.
Hey Honesty... I see what you are saying,
Why didn't he simply say, "My God" instead of what he did say, which was:Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
The Jews believed in only one God. They didn't believe in a literal son of God, either.
Because perhaps he was addressing them both..like.. 'Thank you, Mary and John'.
The apostles did believe in a literal son of God...remember Peter said "You are the Son of the living God."
Star, i see you've got an explanation for everything! haha. It's like you were there!
Sorry, just being sarcastic.
Riddle me this..riddle me that..
what about this one?
Heb 1:8
ut unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Is the Father calling the Son God here?
And of course John 1:1 The Word was God, the word was with God and God was the word..then the word became flesh.
Hey Honesty... ; I see what you are saying,
Why didn't he simply say, "My God" instead of what he did say, which was:Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” ; John 20:28
The Jews believed in only one God. They didn't believe in a literal son of God, either.
Because perhaps he was addressing them both..like.. 'Thank you, Mary and John'. ;
The apostles did believe in a literal son of God...remember Peter said "You are the Son of the living God."
Like I said, do a little research. You don't have to go very far to find answers:
This is why the Jews began trying all the more to kill Him: not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18
Can anyone explain this away?
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.
Or this?
Mark 2:5-7 Seeing their faith, Jesus told the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” But some of the scribes were sitting there, thinking to themselves: “Why does He speak like this? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Or this?
Hosea 13:4 I have been the Lord your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, and no Savior exists besides Me.
Acts 4:11-12 This [Jesus] is The stone despised by you builders, who has become the cornerstone. There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.”
I sure can't Honesty! It seems plain and clear to me unless I try to go out of my way to put an unlikely possibility of meaning into the mouths of people 2,000 yrs ago.
g-isright,
This is really dirty.
Sorry. My "As a JW" ... question was not to a specific individual, it was to any currently active JW's here. I should have been more clear.
Due to what happened to my child and my work with Silent Lambs, I have no reason to love or defend the WT at all. I hope they implode. But I have a few questions. If Jesus is the mediator between God and man, how can he be God? A mediator works between two different parties. He is never one of those parties, is he? Jesus also said something to the effect that "I am ascending to your God and MY God". If Jesus "has a God", it appears that he is not equal to God Almighty, although I admit he is called "a god" in scripture. There were also things Jesus didn't know, but said that God did know. So he can't share the same mind or brain as God has. And when Jesus was dead, remembering Eccl. verses about "the dead know nothing" and similar concepts, how could he know 3 days had passed and it was time to "resurrect himself"? If he's "out", then who woke him up in time? These are some of the things I think might apply to this discussion. But I do feel it will never be settled for sure. Maybe on Judgment Day, if that ever comes. I don't care anymore because I'm now a confirmed agnostic. I don't believe in God and I don't believe it's possible to prove his existence or disprove it. Thank you all for your thoughts.
