Farmers Branch Tx. assault on illegal immigrants (Mexicans)

by hambeak 77 Replies latest social current

  • lola28
    lola28

    I'm amazed that so many people seem to think that it is an easy process to become a legal US citizen, this process takes years, I believe there was even a class action law suit filed not too long ago against what was then INS by people that had waited for years for their cases to be seen, in some cases applicants had been waiting for five to seven years just to be able to be legal residents.

    If this process was easy do you think more people would not apply to be legal? How about kids brought into this country by their parents? Do you think it's easy to "ship them out" when this is the only place they have ever called home? What do you do with them?

    Mexico wont do anything about the situation because the goverment benefits from the millions of dollars that illegal immigrants send to their loved ones there, why better your country when your citizens come to America illegally and you get millions of dollars from them?

    Lola

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    This is a letter to the Editor of the Sunday Star-Ledger here in NJ a few weeks ago (October 2006):

    “Shoe on the other foot"

    "One wonders what Mexico’s government and citizens would say, think and do if
    20 million Americans illegally invaded Mexico and expected the government to:

    Provide free medical care;

    Supply them with free education and automatic Mexican citizenship for their children;

    Require bilingual interpreters at all hospitals and courts;

    Insist on bilingual government forms;

    Demand that Mexico accept American IDs;

    Provide Americans with sanctuary cities, ignoring our multiple lawbreaking and
    allowing us to remain free from arrest;

    Expect Mexicans to learn English so we wouldn’t have to learn Spanish;

    Fly the U.S. flag from our homes and cars;

    Insist on courses in American culture at schools;

    Demand driver’s licenses and college tuition;

    Balkanize Mexico’s cities and towns;

    Insist that police speak to us in English and require them to hire American bilingual
    officers who are culturally acceptable;

    and Permit the American government to have 47 consulates in Mexico to subversively
    serve American illegal aliens.”

    ~Sue

    P.S.: I wasn't the writer, but I wonder, too, what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot?

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    ::P.S.: I wasn't the writer, but I wonder, too, what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot?

    Well, then, you'd have to make factually fair comparisons. Apples for apples. You know, honesty. This was not an honest editorial.

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    The point is: There is no "factually fair" comparison, apples for apples.

    The dilemma is not unique to the U.S. Please identify another country that provides all these "services."

    ~Sue

  • Confession
    Confession
    You can live in your little world and pretend it's not there or not really that bad if that makes you feel better.

    Sandy, I don't know if anyone in this thread has suggested that these families are looking for a free ride. We have however sympathized with their situation as do you--even though many here are not Mexican Americans. Nor have we denied the existence of racism. Only that unsafe, porous borders are dangerous and that citizen rights belong to legal citizens.

    We do not deny that many Mexicans assume jobs that most Americans don't want to do, but not all are the Home Depot workers. In the work I do, I meet them virtually every weekend and know that they are construction workers, hotel service people, pool installers, etc, and these definitely are jobs that legal Americans would take. We want these hard-working, law abiding Mexican people to have these jobs. We just want them to assume the same civic responsibility everyone else does and become legal. If they refuse to do so, it cannot simply be ignored.

    If your child was hungry and you had no money to buy food what would you do?

    Exactly what they do. Except that, unlike many of them, I would either try to come here legally--or do so as soon as possible after arriving. With all possible compassion, I still ask, "Why don't they?" I admit I don't understand the answer. Maybe there are good ones. Maybe it is, as I've suggested, because it's very difficult (or expensive) to do so. And if that's the case, then I'm all for fixing that.

    My position does not focus upon the plight of poor Mexican people and questioning their motive for coming here--but instead on the problems that result from open borders and illegal residents. Broaching this subject does not mean that I am pretending racism "isn't there." It's just not the point of this issue.

    You would do that only to the extent you are linguistically capable, and circumstances availed you of opportunity.

    If a person was "linguistically capable" of learning one language, he can learn another. Easily? No. To the extent that he might become superbly fluent? Perhaps not. I do not blame a person who's just arrived here who can't speak English. But, again in my weekend employment I meet many, many illegal (and legal) Mexican familes, and some who've been here for twenty years or more hardly speak a word.

    My daughter worked at a few Starbucks in Southern California when we were there. One thing she was amazed at was that frequently, when a non-English-speaking Spanish speaker would come in, they would express angry irritation that often there was noone behind the counter who could understand their language. Unlike you, Six, I do see a difference between immigrants from former times and many current Mexican immigrants.

    Growing up in Detroit, I came to know many such immigrants--first and second generation. They all learned to speak English to a greater or lesser degree--and most of them refused to let their children speak their former language in the household. "We are Americans now. Speak English!" they would say. I'd say this was also the case with Mexican immigrants in former times--but not as much now for some reason. Are there not free English classes for new immigrants? There always used to be.

    Truth is, I don't think it should be a law that they learn English. But I also don't think (as someone else pointed out) that I should have to press 1 to continue in English. If someone doesn't want to learn the language, it should be their burden--and if they choose to accept it, so be it. But the fact that so many don't learn English today demonstrates a changed mindset. One that wishes to maintain allegiance to ones former country, speak that language, and wave it's flag.

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR

    An interesting apples for apples perspective is how Mexico handles its southern border. The Center for Imigration Studies, wrote a paper that sheds some very interesting light on the matter.

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner
    I'm amazed that so many people seem to think that it is an easy process to become a legal US citizen

    I never claimed it was easy....BUT THAT IS THE PROCESS. If you want to live and work in this country bad enough, you'll do it. If not then you should not have access to jobs, housing, legal protection or health care.

    Call me a pr*ck but my ancestors came to this country and followed the rules and became legal citizens and I'm not paying for people who won't work within the system but still want all of the rights and perks.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Interesting article xjw. Thanks for posting it. I wasn't familiar with the situation in southern Mexico.

    Fox railed against a March 2002 U.S. Supreme Court decision denying back pay to illegal workers. He could be even more persuasive with U.S. policymakers if he committed himself to cracking down on the blatant administrative disarray and official abuses that prevail at Mexico’s southern border. He might even name a "czar" to coordinate efforts in the South. 42 He could also make root-and-branch changes in the Guatemalan-Mexican bracero program before promoting a guestworker scheme with the United States. Mexico’s long-forgotten southern border is beginning to appear on the radar screens of articulate observers. After visiting this frontier, Gabriela Rodríguez, the UN Human Rights Commissioner’s special rapporteur on migrants’ rights said: "Mexico is one of the countries where illegal immigrants are highly vulnerable to human rights violations and become victims of degrading sexual exploitation and slavery-like practices, and are denied access to education and healthcare." 43

    Wow.

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR
    My daughter worked at a few Starbucks in Southern California when we were there. One thing she was amazed at was that frequently, when a non-English-speaking Spanish speaker would come in, they would express angry irritation that often there was noone behind the counter who could understand their language.

    Confession, this is sadly the rule,and not the exception in Southern California. George Lopez does a great routine about Jack in the Box, and the people that work there. It has the one thing that all great comedy has, a level of truth.

    "We are Americans now. Speak English!" they would say. I'd say this was also the case with Mexican immigrants in former times--but not as much now for some reason. Are there not free English classes for new immigrants? There always used to be.

    This was largely true, but with the La Raza/MeCha movements, it is no longer the case. I can remember my non-JW abuelo (grandfather) chatising me for wanting to learn Spanish. He said that in this country, in order to move ahead is to speak English, and speak it well. Something that he did on a regular basis. In fact, from what my mother told me, he seldom spoke in Spanish, unless wanting to talk to my abuela (grandmother) about something he did not want the kids or grandkids to know about.

  • mariposa
    mariposa

    This has been an interesting thread to follow and I guess I'll chime in here.

    I am married to an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. We've been together for about 3 1/2 years and I've worked directly with illegal immigrants for more than 12 years. I've worked with them in the landscape industry here in the southeast U.S. When I first started working with them, I WAS racist and I couldn't for the life of me understand why in the world they would come here to work if no one wanted them here. I heard the stories of how things were in their home countries and the not so easy routes to get to the US. I've seen the amount of $$$ it costs them to get here and how many are slaves to the people who pay for the passage here until they pay up. I've asked too many times if they would rather stay here or go back home....most want to go home, see family, be seen as normal people.

    We never paid illegals any less then anyone else without experience, in 4 different companies I've worked at. I've worked with all different races in landscaping and we've given them all a chance. By far it's the hispanics who stay.

    If you look on the INS website you can find the # of people waiting for visas, greencards to come here legally per country. The US gives top priority to just about anyone else but central american people. The list for people from Mexico is ridiculous. So if they want to come here, the easiest route is illegally. Then, as the laws stand now, there is NO way for anyone here illegally to gain legal access no matter how much they pay or who they marry. BTW, from what I've gotten from many illegals is that before they come, many of them believe the US is some sort of "land of wealth and plenty" because that is the image given to them from friends and family.

    I am not totally FOR illegal immigrants however. I can't stand the fact my brother and sister in law, who have been here for 6+ years, don't hardly speak a lick of engish while I, in my home country, speak spanish fluently. While I was pregnant and paying for premium insurance that I'd been paying for years, I knew of 3 other hispanic women who didn't have to pay a dime. It drove me nuts! My neice was passed to the next grade in school even though she failed a basic skills test because she is an english as a second language student, something her parents don't know cause they don't read english!! There are many things that need to change and the govt should do something about it before it gets worse. Georgia has passed some serious laws in the past year to punish employers and the vidalia onion fields are already feeling the effects.

    In the back of my mind I kind of wish all of them would get sent home, then we'll see what happens. It will cause a mess in so many different industries, not just worker related problems. The number of apartments, shopping centers, houses around Atlanta that are filled with illegals is insane. I'd get a good chuckle if suddenly all those places were vacant:) There would be ALOT of Americans losing ALOT of money.

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