NEWS: I am publicly reproved over UN situation.

by badwillie 83 Replies latest jw friends

  • TRUTH
    TRUTH

    Please hang in there, keep up your faith, my JW family tree goes three generations back, and I called a relative yesterday who is high up in service dept and questioned him, and he said, he could not answer, but denied it was true, and that he did not believe it. I called him back, and went over where it was on the UN website, he said he would look into it, and get back to me, still no response. I also questioned him again about covering up the sexual and physical abuse I experienced as a child, since now I was real ticked off at this supposed hypocrisy, and keeping my mouth shut and "letting Jehovah work things out".

    My abuse was covered up, so that we all did not look bad. If you out ther only knew the real truth, wow. The stories and the people involved, they would have a hard time rationalizing this one.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Willie: Thanks for the account. You and your wife could appeal this decision to the Society - and do so through an attorney. There is nothing it Watch Tower policy to allow them to 'reprove' you for what you did. Accoridng to some legal people I have talked corresponded with, a religion can have its policies, but must publish its riules to all, and not allow indiscriminate actions against its members. So, you might taslk this over with an attorney if you feel like taking the time and trouble.

    My Justice Series highlighed how this kind of indiscriminate and random acts of injustice happen. The Elders are pretty much dictators, and in many cases make up rules as they go along. For example, when Ray Franz story was published in Time Magazine, I just happen to read it. I bought Time Magazine once in a while and by chance bought the issue containing the story of his Disfellowshipping.

    I happen to mention this in a comment at a Book Study to support some point I was making, and the Book Study Conductor took the last 15 minutes of the meeting to scold us about reading and reporting information from "worldly" that contain lies about the organization. He was an educated fellow himself, being in the engineering discipline as myself. I was shocked, and noted to him that the story merely reported the truth about an event that we know happened, and was not lying about anything. He noted that he and I know that, but the publishers do not 'understand' and they might confuse things and get the facts wrong, and therefore, should not read such literature.

    So, his arrogance not only caused him to shield information from average JWs, but also he unwittingly revealed what he considered a low educational level and poor mental capabilities of JWs to be something to worry about.

    This truly is a sad state of affairs for JWs. Idiot Elders worrying about what they feel are idiot Publishers. Blind leading the Blind. So when someone like yourself comes along, and reads something and talks about it, you are seen as a threat. I too was viewed as a threat in my last congregation that I walked away from. The fear is of knowledge and truth. An organization that supposedly extols knowledge and truth actually fears and hates such - just like the Taliban. - Amazing

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    (((willie and wife)))))

    I'm so sorry for what is happening to you.

    The Watchtower can be ASSOCIATED with the UN but JW's can't go to the UN website? WAAAAAA....?

    I wonder how the Guardian would view this...

    Dungbeetle...so much dung, so little time...

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    My guess is that your public reproval will then lead to much private and hushed speculation about why you were reproved and of cours if one person knows why, they all will.

    The reproval will work similarly to a government's ban on a movie or book, it makes everybody want to see it and talk about it.

    Joel

  • blondie
    blondie

    The Emperor's New Clothes
    by Hans Christian Andersen

    Once upon a time there lived a vain emperor whose only worry in life was to dress in elegant clothes. He changed clothes almost every hour and loved to show them off to his people.

    Word of the Emperor's refined habits spread over his kingdom and beyond. Two scoundrels who had heard of the Emperor's vanity decided to take advantage of it. They introduced themselves at the gates of the palace with a scheme in mind.

    "We are two very good tailors and after many years of research we have invented an extraordinary method to weave a cloth so light and fine that it looks invisible. As a matter of fact it is invisible to anyone who is too stupid and incompetent to appreciate its quality."

    The chief of the guards heard the scoundrel's strange story and sent for the court chamberlain. The chamberlain notified the prime minister, who ran to the Emperor and disclosed the incredible news. The Emperor's curiosity got the better of him and he decided to see the two scoundrels.

    "Besides being invisible, your Highness, this cloth will be woven in colors and patterns created especially for you." The emperor gave the two men a bag of gold coins in exchange for their promise to begin working on the fabric immediately.

    "Just tell us what you need to get started and we'll give it to you." The two scoundrels asked for a loom, silk, gold thread and then pretended to begin working. The Emperor thought he had spent his money quite well; in addition to getting a new extraordinary suit, he would discover which of his subjects were ignorant and incompetent. A few days later, he called the old and wise prime minister, who was considered by everyone as a man with common sense.

    "Go and see how the work is proceeding," the Emperor told him, "and come back to let me know."

    The prime minister was welcomed by the two scoundrels.

    "We're almost finished, but we need a lot more gold thread. Here, Excellency! Admire the colors, feel the softness!" The old man bent over the loom and tried to see the fabric that was not there. He felt cold sweat on his forehead.

    "I can't see anything," he thought. "If I see nothing, that means I'm stupid! Or, worse, incompetent!" If the prime minister admitted that he didn't see anything, he would be discharged from his office.
    "What a marvelous fabric, he said then. "I'll certainly tell the Emperor." The two scoundrels rubbed their hands gleefully. They had almost made it. More thread was requested to finish the work.

    Finally, the Emperor received the announcement that the two tailors had come to take all the measurements needed to sew his new suit.

    "Come in," the Emperor ordered. Even as they bowed, the two scoundrels pretended to be holding a large roll of fabric.

    "Here it is your Highness, the result of our labor," the scoundrels said. "We have worked night and day but, at last, the most beautiful fabric in the world is ready for you. Look at the colors and feel how fine it is." Of course the Emperor did not see any colors and could not feel any cloth between his fingers. He panicked and felt like fainting. But luckily the throne was right behind him and he sat down. But when he realized that no one could know that he did not see the fabric, he felt better. Nobody could find out he was stupid and incompetent. And the Emperor didn't know that everybody else around him thought and did the very same thing.

    The farce continued as the two scoundrels had foreseen it. Once they had taken the measurements, the two began cutting the air with scissors while sewing with their needles an invisible cloth.

    "Your Highness, you'll have to take off your clothes to try on your new ones." The two scoundrels draped the new clothes on him and then held up a mirror. The Emperor was embarrassed but since none of his bystanders were, he felt relieved.

    "Yes, this is a beautiful suit and it looks very good on me," the Emperor said trying to look comfortable. "You've done a fine job."

    "Your Majesty," the prime minister said, "we have a request for you. The people have found out about this extraordinary fabric and they are anxious to see you in your new suit." The Emperor was doubtful about showing himself naked to the people, but then he abandoned his fears. After all, no one would know about it except the ignorant and the incompetent.

    "All right," he said. "I will grant the people this privilege." He summoned his carriage and the ceremonial parade was formed. A group of dignitaries walked at the very front of the procession and anxiously scrutinized the faces of the people in the street. All the people had gathered in the main square, pushing and shoving to get a better look. An applause welcomed the regal procession. Everyone wanted to know how stupid or incompetent his or her neighbor was but, as the Emperor passed, a strange murmur rose from the crowd.

    Everyone said, loud enough for the others to hear: "Look at the Emperor's new clothes. They're beautiful!"
    "What a marvelous train!"

    "And the colors! The colors of that beautiful fabric! I have never seen anything like it in my life." They all tried to conceal their disappointment at not being able to see the clothes, and since nobody was willing to admit his own stupidity and incompetence, they all behaved as the two scoundrels had predicted.

    A child, however, who had no important job and could only see things as his eyes showed them to him, went up to the carriage.

    "The Emperor is naked," he said.



    "Fool!" his father reprimanded, running after him. "Don't talk nonsense!" He grabbed his child and took him away. But the boy's remark, which had been heard by the bystanders, was repeated over and over again until everyone cried:

    "The boy is right! The Emperor is naked! It's true!"

    The Emperor realized that the people were right but could not admit to that. He thought it better to continue the procession under the illusion that anyone who couldn't see his clothes was either stupid or incompetent. And he stood stiffly on his carriage, while behind him a page held his imaginary mantle.

  • ARoarer
    ARoarer

    Willie, this is SO disgusting. Only recently on the news the Watchtower Society is DEMANDING freedom of speech as a Cosntitutional Right in a legal battle with a little town in Ohio. I have mentioned this before on other threads that the Watchtower does noes not live up to what it demands. THEY are the ones who deserve to be disfellowshipped and investigated for associating with the very entity, the UN, for whom they openly say is deserving of DEATH. Just how dare any elder treat another human in such an unchristian, unconstitutional way.

    Again, Willie this is just too disgusting.[:(![

  • badwillie
    badwillie

    Thanks for all the sympathy and advice.
    Sometimes I feel like appealing it. But I think it could serve a useful purpose especially for my wife and the 2 people we talked to.
    They all know full well that no real "crime" has been committed, so this action only makes the Society look guilty, not us. I am willing to take a hit if it might cause someone else to start thinking. The whole thing has motivated my wife to question everything now.
    - BadWillie.

  • Patriot
    Patriot

    Hey B Willie,

    Sorry to hear what you guys are going through. Most of us here has gone through the same at one time or another,

    With me it was over an article in the American Journal of Medical Ethics. It was a fact based article about the blood issue in Bulgaria.

    Like you I mentioned it to "mature" brothers and was reproved for it.

    At least now you know the truth of this ruthless org. and can spread your wings and fly.

    Mav.-

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Hi Badwillie,
    I will not express sorrow or regret for you. I am thrilled for you. I congradulate you and your wife. It may be a little hard now but you are headed for a great freedom. Bless you both.

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    A typical response from the cowardly bulley`s,protect the whore at all cost`s! This time you are the one`s that are expendeble,the witch hunt never end`s.Move on with your life,good luck to you both. OUTLAW

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