Thank you scholar
for your support it was getting lonely in here.
Hi Outlaw
the apology someone has pasted a few pages back :S but don't ask me which ^^ Why do you let the actions of men (rutherford) stumble you?
hi caliber
your right it the dates did cause hurt and stumbled many but Men make mistakes and so do men-run Orgs. If holy spirit was enough and this is to Mouthy as well, why did the catholics go wrong? the whole history of christianity shows us that being God's faith doesn't guarantee that the leaders won't make mistakes quite the opposite and we see this from Moses downwards.
Many things can be forgiven, moses got arrogant and lost his opportunity to get into the land of plenty and look what happenned to the jews. I can pretty much guarantee any faith run by man while we are in this imperfect state is liable to make mistakes but......there are deal breakers the jews commited one, jesus came to them first and they rejected then killed him thats a biggy.....and for me the catholics commited another deal breaker when they became unevenly yoked with Rome and allowed False triune God worship to pollute their teachings......since then the consequences of this is 33,000 christian faiths and anyone could be chosen except instead of throwing off the mantle of the catholic false teachings they embraced them and So when Jesus does come He'll be looking for the faith of people still viewing his father as God and preparing for armageddon there isn't many to choose from.
hi orangefatcat
you use Aarons staff to support cross usage, well let me take another from the same time it was a snake......
- Numbers 21:9
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived. - 2 Kings 18:4
He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan. ) John 3:14
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
here it shows moses made a bronze snake put it on a pole and the people had to look at it to be saved from venomous snake bites, it worked but 500 years later it had become a thing of worship and people burned incense to it and so got destroyed this show us the dangers of taking something and making it into an idol and how much Jehovah doesn't want this. It's interesting that jesus compares himself to this snake on a pole! because crosses although they are not poles/stakes have also become idols we burn incense to and jesus would not want this.
hi mouthy
as I said above if holy spirit was enough we still wouldn't go wrong and believe wrong things and we do constantly, there would have been no need for paul and the other elders to refine teachings after the outpouring of holy spirit.
Hi guest with questions
your questioning the 144.000 well the number is in the bible and the bible does mention annointed, you use a lot of wt quotes but do you think jesus will goto the real israel then? and who do you think are the annointed? it's not an easy question It's one I believe because I do want to stay on earth and have what Jehovah promised Adam. if there is just one group that all just get swept upto heaven that doesn't make sense either because of the mention of a ruling class etc who do they rule?
hi kenneson
Will there be more than one? Jesus planted his word and a multitude of christian faiths have sprung forth but is it enough? there is the wise virgins and sheep and goats which suggest not all will get through but it isn't specific as to numbers. you can only have this surety in your faith whatever it is and then you think you are the wise virgin and all else are foolish.
hi bennyk
no coherent doctrine? they have grown and change but 1700 years of false worship is a hard shackle to get rid of and won't happen overnight. when I think of no coherency I think of People telling me trinity is a mystery and not to be understood and no one really does.
thx all :)
Reniaa