WHY don't Americans realize GUNS are destroying their country?

by Witness 007 334 Replies latest jw friends

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  BurnTheShips

  It would have to be a great many people, the government has a very strong grip on power.

  During the Massachusetts ratifying convention William Symmes warned that the new government at some point "shall be too firmly fixed in the saddle to be overthrown by anything but a general insurrection."

  Revolutionaries only outnumbered Loyalists by a small percentage during our own revolutionary war. Just enough. Most people were neutral. But the Brits didn't have the grip on the Colonies the Federal Government does now. In the end, you have to hope the good guys outnumber the bad guys.

  BTS
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  hillbilly

  we've officially reached a dead end on this thread. We've begun discussing What If scenarios and we're entertaining ideas of things that will never happen, unless everyone puts on the new personality and Jehovah ushers in a Righteous New System of things. LWT

  yea..when funkyderek pipes in just to act like "funkyderek" it's time to turn out the lights.

  Whats your favorite foot powder?

  Hill
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  funkyderek

  hillbilly:

  yea..when funkyderek pipes in just to act like "funkyderek" it's time to turn out the lights.

  I'm sure I don't know what you mean! I've been trying to get to the root of the issue.

  We've established that guns aren't the problem. Other countries have more guns and fewer problems. Something else must be to blame. But nobody seems to know exactly what. It can't be the government, as if it were, you and your buddies would have risen up against it. Is it the people themselves then? Are Americans inherently more violent than other people? Or is it something about American culture? Or is it simply that in order to have the freedom to own guns in the peculiarly American way you so staunchly defend, you have to put up with a higher violent crime rate? Is that the security you must lose in order to have the "essential liberty" of owning a gun?
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  hillbilly

  We've established that guns aren't the problem. Other countries have more guns and fewer problems. Something else must be to blame. But nobody seems to know exactly what. It can't be the government, as if it were, you and your buddies would have risen up against it. Is it the people themselves then? Or is it something about American culture? Is that the security you must lose in order to have the "essential liberty" of owning a gun?~FD

  We've established that guns aren't the problem....Ok why did you write the rest of the paragraph. The Gun is not the Problem.

  It can't be the government, as if it were, you and your buddies would have risen up against it. . I hope it never comes to that,,, we have a system that is wobbly but it works...kinda.

  Are Americans inherently more violent than other people? ... You see the same old stats hauled around here that I do. The vast majority of Americans follow the law and just want to be left alone. Most Americans would like to see our "marginal" citizens take charge of the oppourtunity they have to make good and quit being force into crime to make ends meet. Whatever forces some people to be predators and others prey will never be totally changed by social programs. But those folks are there... we deal with it.

  Or is it simply that in order to have the freedom to own guns in the peculiarly American way you so staunchly defend, you have to put up with a higher violent crime rate?

  We defend something that many folks in Europe and the UK just dont understand.Yea we have a different culture...owning a gun... loosing the rights to keep a horse on 5 acres ... being told what kind of car to drive...it's all the same to me. Our guns dont drive the rate of crime... they are just a more efficient tool for those who would prey on us. If they take away guns and criminals turn to swords dont ya think we would be having the same arguments on our rights to bear steak knives to defend ourselfs?

  We are allowed the essential right of self defense... Our governments founders allowed us to stay( gun) armed. We would prefer to keep it that way... we see what has happened in places where populations have been dis armed and we dont like the outcome... just call us crazy but we know history repeats itself.

  Good day and God bless ya. I promise not to shoot ya while you are here unless you try to rape my wife or enter my house through the window.

  Hill
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  keyser soze

  Are Americans inherently more violent than other people?

  No, I think the violent crime rate statistics are somewhat misleading. They are skewered by certain places that produce an above average crime rate due to poverty and overpopulation. I grew up in a small town of about 2000 people, many of which owned guns, primarily for hunting. There wasn't a single violent crime there when I was a kid. In fact there have only been two violent crimes that I know of in my lifetime, the murder of a priest, and the rape and murder of a foreign exchange student. Neither one of them involved a gun.
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  hillbilly

  I grew up in a small town of about 2000 people, many of which owned guns, primarily for hunting. There wasn't a single violent crime there when I was a kid. KS

  Your right Keyser... in Wisconsin I am more afraid of those wooley Elmer Fudd hunting hats that your guns.

  Hill
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  keyser soze

  Your right Keyser... in Wisconson I am more afraid of those wooley Elmer Fudd hunting hats that your guns.

  Don't forget the foam cheese hats.
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  RubaDub

  You've got to give us Americans a break when it comes to "realizing GUNS are destroying their country."

  If you lived here in the USA, you'd realize that the ones that "need" to own a gun can be characterized as guys in flyover country that drive pickups, have a few stained teeth, a beer belly and married to someone on their side of the family.

  And you expect these people to "reason"???

  Rub a Dub
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  Robdar

  OK, so apparently the Swiss can't help you. Have you any suggestions as to what would help? More guns, perhaps?

  We do not need any outside help in this country. Thanks for your condescendence, though.

  You must be feeling grumpy from your lack of sunshine. Why dont you worry about your own affairs and leave us to ours? Or better yet, grab your suntan lotion and come on over. The weather is sunny and fine. A little sunshine might thaw you out and improve upon your snarkiness. But then again, maybe not.
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  kurtbethel

  USA Today everyone has a gun, why?.....to protect themselves...from who? Other folks with guns!.....Yes it's in your laws...but they were written when the British ruled you. One school gun killing every week does not happen anywhere else in the world....maybe you need MORE guns to protect your kids.....one in the lunchbox.....does anyone else see this.

  This is nonsensical, in several ways. It makes as much sense as an American ranting about Aussies all having pet kangaroos and killing each other with frozen kangaroo tails.

  I have seen many of your posts and you are a reasonably bright person so consider a few things. First, take a look at American cities and states where legal gun ownership is high, and where gun murder rates are high. Is there any correlation?

  Then look at nationmaster.com or your favorite sources of data and look at murder rates for different nations. Take a look at Mexico. Guns are highly illegal to own there. Does Mexico have a much lower murder rate than the US? While you are at it, look at solitary nations or regions that changed their gun laws in a dramatic way and see the before and after murder rates. Do you see any relationship between gun laws and crime? Would you like to share what you found?