I know Outlaw! You just can't please some people! :)
The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers
by mrsjones5 196 Replies latest jw friends
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PSacramento
ATJ, makes a very valid point.
I mean, its not even a debate because they don't debate, how can they? they don't even know what they are posting half the time.
Perhaps it is truly best to say,"not interested, have a good day".
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Georgiegirl
(sighs) I know, I know, ATJ. I really try hard to stay away from pointless threads like this but this time I just couldn't help it. I got drawn in by the stupidity. I'm leaving, I'm leaving.
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AGuest
May you both have peace!
Please know that I understand your feelings of being attacked (although you have some contribution), and ask that you forgive those here who are in fact attacking… or appearing to attack… you. If they are attacking, they are not doing so out of an actual hatred for you, but for what you've come here representing, which is actually anathema. I would say to YOU… that IF you are truly the "christians" YOU claim to be… "returning evil for evil," literally goes against that claim... and indicates youto be false. YOU… are guests, here. While you do have a right to defend your faith and not to be attacked, you should also endeavor to find out what the "city" you have entered is truly about… and try, to the best of your abilities, to conduct yourselves accordingly. Because i f any of these were to enter into a Kingdom Hall… it is what you would expect… indeed, demand... and you cannot "remove the straw from [someone else's] eye"... without first removing the "rafter" from your own.
To you who are "attacking" pjschipper and Angel Eyes (may you have peace!), I would say to you, "there but for the grace of God"… or perhaps your own wisdom. You know what I mean. Many of us once thought… and conducted yourselves… in the very same manner. We believed that what we believed in relation to the WTBTS was TRUE… and did all we could to defend it. If you TRULY want them to get what the WTBTS TRULY is… returning "evil for evil" in the manner that you are won't work. I ask you: which is more important, your being right? Or their getting it… and getting out of her?!
I exhort you all, both "sides"… to THINK... and beware the "leaven."
Now, then, dear pjschipper (I address you below, dear Angel Eyes),since the Spirit has revealed to me that you are primarily, albeit not solely, addressing me (and it's absolutely okay if you deny it, but the truth is the truth, and we - you and I - both know it as regards this thread), I will respond. You ask:
4:3,4 The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths." JB These are the some of the signs of the end. Do you see this happening today?
I say to you that I do INDEED see this happening today. And the TRUTH is that the WTBTS is the foremost leader of it, unfortunately. Unfortunately, dear one, the REASON you and dear Angel Eyes CAN'T see it… is because your minds have been blinded. By whom… and how? By the god of this system of things… and his "offspring"… who use the teachings of the WTBTS… as such commands YOU… to keep looking to the Old Law. By doing this, you have a veil upon your heart… and so the GOOD news… ABOUT THE GLORIOUS CHRIST… can't, unfortunately, shine through.
2 Corinthians 3:12-4:6 (and I encourage you to actually READ this passage, and use the NWT Ref. Bible, if you have it, as that will make it MUCH more clearer to you).
You are doing this - turning to the Old Law - however, because you cannot worship what you can't see and so are still keeping your "gaze" on the "golden calf"… the "VISIBLE representation" that the WTBTS calls itself… rather than keeping it on the TRUE representative, the COPPER SERPENT, the One raised up by God just as Moses raised up the one in the desert… Christ. You have been "bitten" by poisonous snakes, vipers… and by continuing to look at such snakes… rather than at the Copper Serpent… you ARE going to die.
Numbers 21:5-9
John 3:14
John 6:40
Hebrews 12:2
Matthew 23:33, 34
Now, I don't say this to be judgmental, morbid, unkind, or unloving. I say it because IT IS THE TRUTH. Dear ones, ask yourselves - WHY did the Most Holy of Israel even HAVE Moses make the copper serpent? Didn't He command them:
"You must NOT make for yourself a carved image or a form like ANYTHING that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must NOT bow down to them nor be induced to serve them."
Exodus 20:4, 5
And yet, he told Moses to make this particular image… and then direct the people to gaze upon it without looking away. WHY? Christ himself tells us:
"… just AS Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, SO THE SON OF MAN MUST BE LIFTED UP…"
John 3:14
And what happened to the people who DIDN'T keep their gaze on the copper serpent? They died. This, dear ones… is your current state. YOU… have been "bitten" by poisonous snakes, the "offspring" of vipers… and you will die.
It does not HAVE to be this way, though. You COULD turn your eyes toward him… the Holy One of Israel… the TRUE Copper Serpent… the One lifted up by the Most Holy One of Israel Himself… and whom That One TOLD us to look… and then look toward NOTHING and NO ONE else… and LIVE. Because in doing so you KISS HIM… as opposed to continuing to "kiss" the WTBTS. You can only do this, however, if the Father draws you… and it appears that He is NOT doing that… yet… and that is because you have NOT asked.
Dear Angel Eyes, I must ask you and perhaps you can tell me, please, if you know… WHEN does Armageddon occur? And I mean that in relation to the "great tribulation," fall of Babylon the Great, and return of our Lord. I ask because since you appear to want it come and appear to believe you know who will benefit… and, apparently, who will not (at least, throwing it out there as you did gives that impression)… I'd like to see your reason and backup for hoping as you do.
Again, I bid you ALL peace… from me to you… and you to each other.
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
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AllTimeJeff
georgiegirl
Hey, thats not QUITE what I meant.... It's just, after a while, you know who is saying what and why, and, at that point, the best you can do is wish them the best.
Hell, if they insist that they want to stay JW's, what else can we do but hope for the best? At least WE aren't them anymore.... :)
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isaacaustin
Ae...is your husband- ie he really exists- a mental case like you?
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PSacramento
Armageddon already happened:
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TD
pjschipper:
Would you accept the same excuses that you have just given if a member of the Catholic faith gave them to you? Protecting pedophiles? Complicity towards the Third Reich? The Middle Ages? Why that was just human imperfection!!
Any member of any church can write off their organization's failings to human imperfection. Any member of any church can say, "I prefer to wait on God and let him take care of it."
It certainly sounds like you've created a private little world for yourself where it is impossible for the JW oranization to ever do anything that would merit God's disapproval. How are you any different in that respect than the millions of Christians whom your organization teaches that God will destroy?
