Confessing

by STRUGGLE 116 Replies latest jw friends

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  waiting

  Hey Struggle,

  Believe It or Not - next month, next year, this coming week will be a distant memory. Girl, you are not a "bad seed". Look at yourself in the mirror. You are a pretty woman loved by a man who you love. You love your God, and He loves you.

  In your mind - you've sinned, missed the mark of perfection. Well, dear, welcome to the club. "We are all sinning" - Paul And that means in and out of the WTBTS.

  First, get through this week? If you can, go buy a new dress or shoes (works soooo well, don't you think?) - however, you might refrain from wearing to The Meeting. You can buy a new bracelet, they'll never notice and it'll make you feel better, special. Paint your fingernails, toenails, whatever. Wear thong underwear if that's your style. Feel Good About Yourself and enjoy yourself.

  Your boyfriend won't understand - it's not his fault. But do some reading in the Bible which you love - find the comfort there. Pray, and find some kind of answer within yourself. Ultimately, you know that's where the answer has to come from - yourself.

  Or you can wear your new dress, shoes, thong, bracelet, paint your fingernails and toenails bright red and elope!

  Just thought I throw that in for the heck of it - join larc's wishes!
  Could be some merit to his thoughts, you know.

  waiting
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  RedhorseWoman

  I am a bad seed anyway it goes,

  Struggle, you are NOT a bad seed. You are human...no more, no less.
  Whether you believe it or not, you have been granted a very special gift from Jehovah....someone you truly love, and someone who loves you in return. That does NOT make you evil. ***HUGS****

  I have loyalty to the org.

  This is something you need to consider VERY carefully. Your loyalty should be ONLY to Jehovah....never to an organization....NEVER.

  Yet at the same time, my treachous heart is with this man. You know when that heart gets involved you are not thinking clearly.

  This is untrue. Sometimes your heart helps you to think MORE clearly. If it is coupled with thoughtfulness, your heart can lead you to the things in life that will bring you the most joy, and will allow you to be fulfilled as a human being.

  So can you separte the two. Jehovah and the org.? Is it possible. Do any of you still believe in Jehovah?

  In answer to your questions....very definitely, yes. Jehovah does NOT reside within an organization. He is there whenever you need Him. My relationship with God has been MUCH better since I have separated Him from the "Organization". The WTBTS consists of men, and is more a publishing company than anything else. Jehovah has NOT allied himself with an "organization", but rather with those who seek Him and who try to live up to the commandments to love God and neighbor.

  Faith is not measured by hours recorded on a monthly time slip, or the number of meetings attended.

  Edited by - RedhorseWoman on 31 December 2000 19:0:0
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  STRUGGLE

  To larc

  Thanks for the incite, you really made me feel good about saying that are worse people then me, such as Peter who did indeed deny Jesus three times.

  Edited by - Struggle on 31 December 2000 22:11:52
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  STRUGGLE

  To Waiting

  I hope next week, or next month this all will indeed be a disant memory for me. It's hard to stay away from him. Thanks for the incite.

  Well guess what, I had to endure one of those talks at the hall today, it's was'nt to bad, but still.

  To RedhorseWoman

  Thanks, yes let me restate that comment. My loyalty is indeed first to Jehovah. I like what you said, I am glad to hear you still talk to Jehovah.

  You both said some very powerful things, they really got me to thinking. As of today, my heart has become much more involved with this man.

  Love you all!
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  thinker

  Struggle,

  Just a short note to let your know that you're in our thoughts and prayers. Hope your meeting is not too bad.

  thinker & wife
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  OrangeVale Bob

  Ok, I was going to stay out of this. I don't presume to be an authority on this subject (nor any other subjects for that matter).
  My suggestion is to do nothing. Don't engage in heavy petting or sex with your beloved. Don't neglect your duties as a faithful witness of Jehovah. Don't talk to the elders, just prayerfully consider your positon. Attend the meetings, continue with your normal lifestyle.
  Maintain your relationship with this worldling without any physical contact. Letters, phone calls, internet all work. It won't take long until his true motivations are revealed. If he loves you enough to maintain an exclusive relationship without physical contact, then take it to the next step. Let him meet the elders and deal with your heritage. Right or wrong, it is something that will effect you for years to come.
  Once you have reached that point, post again.
  OVB(who wishes he were wise enough to follow the advice he sometimes gives)
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  STRUGGLE

  It was'nt that bad. The elders still have not gotten with me yet. Oh well, I am ready when they are. I feel much better this afternoon then I did this morning, things don't appear so grim. Jehovah knows I love him, he know that I am weak, he know that I am human.

  Thank you Thinker and Thinker's wife

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  To Waiting

  Yes I now realize that I am not alone. I am in a world full of imperfect people, we all miss the mark. And it does help to have a really nice man who loves me.

  Again thanks
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  To OVB

  Please remember that it only happen once. He still calls, email etc.
  You sound like the elders when I first went to them letting them know that I was attracted to a worldly man. They stated if he loves you he will study. I want him to study on his own, not to keep me.

  Thanks. Oh yeah and it is my intention not to engage in anything sexual. But the flesh is weak. Pray, Pray, Pray for me. Please don't stay out of this, I value your input.

  Edited by - Struggle on 31 December 2000 22:18:30
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  RedhorseWoman

  You sound like the elders when I first went to them letting them know that I was attracted to a worldly man. They stated if he loves you he will study. I want him to study on his own, not to keep me.

  DO NOT.....I repeat, DO NOT fall into this trap. Studying with the Witnesses has NOTHING to do with this man's love for you. Nor does it have anything to do with his love for God.

  IF he should decide to study with the Witnesses, it should be because HE has decided it. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean that he doesn't love YOU....it is just that he does not accept the JW way of thinking. It also does not mean that he doesn't love God, or that he isn't a good man.

  He will show his love for you by allowing you to be whatever it is that you need to be. If it should mean that you remain a JW, he will support you in that decision. If you should decide that you need to take a break from the JW's, or even religion in general, he will support you in that decision also.

  Love means that a person will try to bring out the best in their mate...no matter what that "best" is. It is NOT predicated on his attendance or non-attendance at a Kingdom Hall.
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  larc

  Struggle,

  I think I read everything, but there are a couple of points that I am not clear on. I think you said you went before the Elders once before. What was the reason for your first visit with them? You also said you are about to have a meeting with them. What prompted this second need for a meeting? Did you say something to them or did they suggest the need to meet? If you could clarify these two points, perhaps we could give better advice.
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  Frenchy

  STRUGGLE:
  These days I'm finding that many Witnesses are showing a 'relative submission' (a WTBS term) to the Organization. It is not what they want or advocate and as to whether or not it's wrong it will depend on who's opinion you seek. You mentioned hearing the public talk Sunday. Did you stay for the WT study. There is an interesting sentence about half-way of the article. "It is not up to us to determine the proper way to serve God". The point being made here was that 'accurate knowledge' from God was needed for this but it can be taken more than one way.
  I still believe in Jehovah. I still think that fornication is wrong. The Bible says that it is. I will not say do what you will with your friend and the Society be hanged. You will still have Jehovah to deal with whether or not you are in the organization. Disfellowshipping is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. Do you have to commit immorality just to be with this person you love? No, you don't. There are many people that are not JW that practice abstinence before marriage.
  You cannot be df'd for marrying 'outside the truth' but if you have already confessed to the elders your act of indiscretion and you continue to see this man then in all probability you will be df'd. You continuing to see him will not be viewed as 'conduct befitting repentance'.
  A couple of things to consider: If you blow him off it will probably be forever. If you don't and you get df'd you can always plead for mercy, attend your meetings and in a year you'll be reinstated. Interestingly non of this above has anything to do with your salvation inasmuch as it is Jesus that does the judging and not the congregation.

  -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-