by Lady Lee 64 Replies latest watchtower bible
Almighty homie
Regarding spelling;
What do you expect, I was a no educated JW
As you said, a point of rule, they don't have much, if any need for higher education and seem proud of it. (see Apostles)
Typical JW boasting session:
"I completed 1o grades and quit to pioneer"
"Well, 6th grade for me so I could help my mom deliver magazines"
"I nefer whent. My mom ome skoolin me, so me kan go Betel"
"Duh, we no need no edukashun. Thats fo fools an ideots"
Blondie,
Yes, you do get a diploma. However, it is not legally recognized by the US Education System. It is the equivalant of getting a certificate if you passed a companies seminar.
Anyone get a Phd in theology?
Dr Firpo Carr - If you count mail order
AllTimeJeff,
:I don't have WT Library on this computer, but didn't he go to the University of Cincy then turned down an Oxford scholarship? (according to his life story in the WT) I always thought he graduated, then turned down the scholarship?
Well, that's the story Freddie and the WTS would LIKE you to believe, because even Freddie never denied what you just said. However, that's not the truth. I've actually seen copies of transcripts of Fred's University courses/credits and a copy of the letter from Rhodes regarding a Rhodes Scholarship for Franz.
Fred DID drop out of college midway into his junior year. He did that to go to Bethel. He did receive an application from Rhodes to enter into the competition for the scholarship, but that was as far as it went. He did not earn nor was ever offered a defacto Rhodes scholarship. To put it another way, he didn't actually compete with others and WIN the scholarship, but he was given a CHANCE to try and win it.
Farkel
Farkel
This was one of those "facts" in my head that I never researched. Thanks.
ATJeff, of the not surprised class.
Farkel, wasn't a person who was going to try out for a Rhodes Scholarship required to have a college degree/Diploma? If Franz didn't complete college he wouldn't have been able to complete the application. He, Franz, should have tried to educate himself on fiction writing, maybe he could have sold a few books that way and made some money for himself instead of writing Fiction for Rutherford and not getting any $$$ out of the deal.
You mean WT literature is non-fiction, now thats a revelation ........just kidding
Isn't the entire bible an exercise in imaginative works of fictional writing.
Ahh... so thats where the GB get their writing skills from !
Therefore all of the GB members have a Phd. in expressive bullshitting...........cool
You have to apply for scholarships before you granduate. That way you can continue your education without a breal between the BA, MA or PhD.
It is possible that his grades were high enough while he was there that someone recommended him to apply
Hmmm some interesting comments in the Refereneces section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_William_Franz
(7) ^ 1911-1913 University of Cincinnati transcript for Frederick W. Franz. Between 1911 and 1913 Franz attended the University of Cincinnati. He earned 15 hours of Latin, 21 hours of classical Greek, and a single 2-hour credit class in a course titled “The New Testament—A course in grammar and translation.”
(8) ^The Watchtower, May 1, 1987 pp. 23-24, Frederick Franz states he left the University of Cincinnati near the end of his junior year. According to Franz his early departure from the University of Cincinnati was at a sacrifice. He states, “I have never regretted that, shortly before the announcements by the educational authorities regarding the outcome of the examinations for the Cecil Rhodes Scholarship, I wrote a letter to the authorities and advised them that I had lost interest in the Oxford University scholarship and that they should drop me from the list of contestants. This I did even though my professor in Greek at the university, Dr. Joseph Harry, informed me that I had been chosen to receive it.”
Just above that in his Education section it says
Frederick Franz attended the University of Cincinnati where he was an honor student. [ 6 ] His formal training concentrated on Latin and classical Greek. [ 7 ] [ 8 ] According to A. H. Macmillan, in addition to his native tongue of English, Frederick Franz was fluent in Spanish, Portuguese and German, conversant in French, and a scholar of Hebrew, Greek, Syriac and Latin, although Franz's school transcripts do not indicate that he studied anything beyond basic, or beginner Greek. [ 9 ]
Seems Paul Blizzard has done his homework http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2919/fred2.html
After graduation from Woodward High in Cincinnati in 1911, he attended the University of Cincinnati. However, he did not graduate, according to testimony he gave under oath during a 1954 court trial.
I traveled to the University of Cincinati where I obtained a photo-copy Franz’s college transcript. It indicates that while he was an adept young man, Macmillan stretched his credentials in Faith on the March.
While his transcript shows he was an above-average student, getting a 3.63 grade-point average on a scale of 4.0, he could not have carried away any honors, as Macmillan said, because he did not graduate. He completed six semesters and earned 84 credit hours. He dropped out in the middle of his junior year, the spring of 1914.
After graduation from Woodward High in Cincinnati in 1911, he attended the University of Cincinnati. However, he did not graduate, according to testimony he gave under oath during a 1954 court trial.
I traveled to the University of Cincinati where I obtained a photo-copy Franz’s college transcript. It indicates that while he was an adept young man, Macmillan stretched his credentials in Faith on the March.
While his transcript shows he was an above-average student, getting a 3.63 grade-point average on a scale of 4.0, he could not have carried away any honors, as Macmillan said, because he did not graduate. He completed six semesters and earned 84 credit hours. He dropped out in the middle of his junior year, the spring of 1914.
And he has the transcripts (sorry you will have to go to the links)
http://www.geocities.com/paulblizard/transcript1.html
http://www.geocities.com/paulblizard/transcript2.html
Blizzard continues:
Franz said he was preparing to become a Presbyterian minister, but in the fall of 1913 he was recruited into “Russellism” (followers of founder-Charles Taze Russell) and dropped out of the University of Cincinnati. Perhaps, like many other college students seeking direction, Franz fell into the hands of slick recruiters of the Watch Tower and was swallowed up.
Some Witnesses say that Macmillian’s book would not be considered authoritative any more, since it was published in 1957. However, Watchtower leaders did cite it as late as 1981 to validate Franz’s credentials. In January 1981, a letter of inquiry was sent to Bethel asking about Franz’s credentials. The Watchtower said in its response, dated Feb. 20, 1981:
“Your letter of January 23, 1981, now has our attention. In response to your inquiries regarding scholastic abilities of Brother Franz, we are enclosing a photocopy of page 181 from the publication Faith On the March. We trust our comments prove helpful to you.”
It was signed: Watchtower B. & T. Society of New York, Inc. More recently, the Society and Franz have admitted that Macmillan’s book was inaccurate. Franz wrote his autobiography in the article “Looking Back Over 93 Years of Living” for the May 1, 1987, Watchtower magazine. In it, he wrote: “I had been chosen to go to Ohio State University to take competitive examinations with others to win the prize of the Cecil Rhodes Scholarship.”
Taking the exams to qualify for a scholarship is a far cry from Macmillan’s claims that “he carried away the honors at the University of Cincinnati and was offered the privilege of going to Oxford or Cambridge in England under the Rhodes plan.”
Franz continued, “I appreciated that I had measured up to the requirements for gaining the scholarship.” Where did Macmillan get his information for his 1957 book? Undoubtedly from Franz himself.
When writing his autobiography, Franz probably never imagined that his 1911 transcript would surface. Again, the transcript proved him a liar. First, compare Macmillan’s claims of Franz’s linguistic knowledge with the transcript. Macmillan wrote: “Franz has a fluent knowledge of Portuguese and German and is conversant with French. He is also a scholar of Hebrew and Greek as well as Syriac and Latin.”
Again, irrefutable evidence is revealed in Franz’s college transcript. Franz’s major language studies were in classical Greek, in which he accumulated 21 semester hours. There was only one course in biblical Greek offered then at the University of Cincinnati.
According to the 1911 catalog, page 119, the course is titles: “The New Testament – A course in grammar and translation.” Franz took this two-hour course, which is nothing more than a survey of New Testament Greek. The Greek Franz studied has a different grammar system from that of biblical Greek.
The claims to his being a scholar of “Hebrew, Syriac and Latin” are lies. Hebrew and Syriac were not offered at the University of Cincinnati. Franz only took 15 hours of Latin, which would hardly qualify anyone as a scholar.
Second, compare Franz’s own biography with his transcript:
“What a blessing it was to study Bible Greek under Professor Arthur Kensella! Under Dr. Joseph Harry, an author of some Greek works, I also studied the classical Greek. I knew that if I wanted to become a Presbyterian clergyman, I had to have a command of Bible Greek. So I furiously applied myself and got passing grades” (The Watchtower, May 1, 1987, pg. 24).
The Franz autobiography gives the impression that the bulk of his Greek studies were “Bible Greek” under “Professor Kensella” and that classical Greek was secondary under “Dr. Joseph Harry.” The opposite is true. Franz only took one, 2-hour credit class of “Bible Greek.” The other 21 hours of Greek were classical.
Also noteworthy, according to the course catalog of 1911, is that Arthur Kensella was not a professor of Greek, as Franz wrote, but an “instructor in Greek.” Kensella did not have a Ph. D. Therefore, Kensella taught entry-level courses.
Franz never objected to the inaccuracies in Faith on the March. The modus operandi of the Watchtower has and will continue to be patterned after its founder, the “liar” Satan. Jesus said: “Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lies of your father ye will do. He was a liar from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
So much for the "scholar" Franz
Frankly, once I read up on Rutherford, I knew I was done. I only thought Franz was an overly bombastic dreamer.
I appreciate everyone sharing this. I was told several times at Gilead that Franz graduated college at Cincy. Of course, I am long done with JW's, but it is one more nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned. So he wasn't even a scholar. Just a college drop out with just enough education to be dangerous, but not enough education to know what it meant.
Thanks again for posting this!
