IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET? (page 15)

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Erich

YK:

The Watchtower does claim to have authority. They do claim to be guided by holy spirit and directed by angels. But they do not claim that any of their teachings are as a result of direct divine revelation.

What is "THE WATCHTOWER" ? I always read Watchtower, Watchtower, Watchtower, .....

Watchtower does claim nothing. And he has to claim nothing. If there is somebody claiming somewhat, then it's the "faithful & discreet slave" and nothing else. That are PERSONS (anointed remnants?). And not a trademark name that is registered in the US patent & Trademark Office. And not a name of a company registred under the laws of the United States.

Please contemplate the following (optional, thinkable) extreme case:

The US Patent & Trademark Office would collapse. All registered trademarks, patents and domains become invalid. Trademark "Watchtower" get off from validity too. Everybody has free hands to use this name for himself for any purposes. All around the world. WTS has left all rights. They would have got no power to protect her logo or trademark name anymore. WHAT IS HAPPENING THEN ????

Offering authority to a "picture" and giving worship to a trademark is idolatry, you know.
You first you have to define and explain the NATURE of the F&DS.

You Know

AF:

That's inspiration, dummy. The definition of "inspiration" is "guided by a supernatural being", and so by definition, anyone guided by God or angels is inspired.

There are different meanings for the word "inspiration" just as there are different meanings for the word "prophet." For example, a poet may claim inspiration, but that is not the same sort of inspiration we are talking about. This is merely a weasel attempt on your part to juggle words around to make them mean something that you want them to mean.

The truth is that being guided and directed by God's spirit or angels is not the same as being inspired of God. For example, Jesus was once led by God's spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. But, there is no indication, or necessity in that encounter, for God to impart miraculous knowledge into Jesus' mind. God merely manuvered the cooperative Jesus into an encounter with Satan. Similarly, Christians are encouraged to walk by God's spirit, which is understood by sane and rational people to mean that we are to endeavor to allow God's thoughts and words and kindly spirit to dominate our thinking so that we live in accord with his will.

The fact is that humans are unavoidably under the influence and authority of the spirit world. As jesus said there is a realm above and a realm below. The realm below is lesser than the realm above and therefore subject to it in all things. We either allow our thinking and inclinations to be molded by demons or we put ourselves under the influence of Jehovah's spirit. Your claim that all persons who chose to put themselves under the guiding influence of God's spirit are also directly inspired by him is total nonsense---the mere contrivance of your own cunning.

I well know that you are just throwing dust in the air to obfuscate the issue. To clear the air of your lunatic ravings: The apostate charge is that the Watchtower claims to be an inspired prophet of God. By that definition, and the criteria set out in Deuteronomy, which is the basis for your charge, that requires that the Watchtower would have to make the claim that Jehovah has directly communicated with them---imparting information to them that was not accesible through any other means. That is how Jehovah inspired his prophets in the past and that is the impression that you would like to fabricate by your sophistry. Yet, so far, you have yet to present one prophecy or teaching that can hold up to the claim. Again, I challenge you to present any Watchtower teaching that is the result of this supposed inspiration from God and not based upon the Bible. I might add, it doesn't matter whether the Watchtower's interpretaions are correct or not. That's not the issue. The question is: Is the source for the Watchtower's teaching the Bible or are they inspired prophets in the sense of having a special conduit to God that is extra-biblical?

/ You Know

deceit

I rarely post, but on this one I must-

YN, the more I read your reasoning, the more I feel sick in the stomach at just how brainwashed a person can be.

Please continue posting because you are acheiving an opposite affect to which you desire, the more sain JW's read this thread, the more it will confirm their doubts.

I have already emailed a few friends (who are still JW) this thread and they replied with very intersting comments.

Keep up the good work, looks like your the greatest of all 'apostate' mouthpiece's there is and you dont even know it!!!

You Know

Please continue posting because you are acheiving an opposite affect to which you desire, the more sain JW's read this thread, the more it will confirm their doubts.

I don't believe that for one minute. For sure, if a person has doubts they are vulnerable to being swayed and manipulated by the demons, and are apt to come under the influence of apostates. But, the apostate community has being desperately trying to discredit me for years. Apostates have used every trick in the book to try and get me off the Internet. This nonsense that you are running has been tried repeatedly. It doesn't work.

The fact is, that I am able to defend my faith from all challenges. There is nothing the apostates can throw at me that I can't handle using Jehovah's word as my defense. And that means that if I can do it others can too. So, that is really what is on public record here. That obviously infuriates my apostate enemies.

The letter of Jude, which details the faith-wrecking methods of predatory apostates, exhorts Christians to "put up a hard fight for the faith." That's what I do. And if a person wants to hang on to their faith in the face of doubt, then I think they would be much encouraged to see a brother doing just that. / You Know

AlanF

Bobby, as JT and others keep saying, you're the best shill on this board. Everyone can see how you fail to address even the simplest of points, because only that way can you pretend to yourself that you've answered anything. You keep saying things like:

: I challenge you to present any Watchtower teaching that is the result of this supposed inspiration from God and not based upon the Bible.

I gave you several statements made by "the faithful slave" that directly state that God and angels put knowledge and motivations in their minds and hearts. You choose to ignore those statements. You're the poster boy for two of the three monkeys -- see no evil, hear no evil -- with your fingers in your ears and your hands over your eyes.

Do keep posting, Bobby. As deceit says, you're achieving great things.

AlanF

dubla

yk-

, that requires that the Watchtower would have to make the claim that Jehovah has directly communicated with them---imparting information to them that was not accesible through any other means.

alan has already quoted this exact claim by the watchtower. did you miss it? ill re-paste it here for you:

<< Certain duties and kingdom interests have been committed by the Lord to his angels, which include the transmission of information to God's anointed people on the earth for their aid and comfort. Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it. >> (Preparation, 1933, pp. 36, 37.

okay yk, how else can you take that? obviously this mysterious angelic information is much more than just biblical knowledge. you claim the watchtower merely interprets scripture, with no information imparted to them "that was not accecible through any other means"......yet here we see the watchtower claim that information is specifically imparted to them by angels, surely information that was not accecible by any other means. this is so cut and dried, yet you still try to distort it.

aa

You Know

I gave you several statements made by "the faithful slave" that directly state that God and angels put knowledge and motivations in their minds and hearts.

And, I simply asked you to provide some statement from the Watchtower that they attribute to this special form of communication that you suppose is taking place. That shouldn't be too difficult a task for the small army of Watchtower Watchers. But, that's what is required if we are going to judge them as being inspired prophets. It's a simple request. You can bluster on all you want, but until you provide something from the Watchtower archives that the Society claims was imparted to them by Jehovah through some sort of miraculous means you don't have anything. / You Know

dubla

yk-

And, I simply asked you to provide some statement from the Watchtower that they attribute to this special form of communication that you suppose is taking place.

number one, alan isnt "supposing" anything is taking place, he provided you with wt quotes that specifically claim it is taking place. as far as providing you with wt statements that they are attributing to this special form of communication.......dont you get it? everything they print is supposedly coming from this special form of communication. the editor is jehovah, remember? to provide any one quote from a wt magazine is providing you with the answer to your request.

aa

sorry alan, didnt mean to answer for you, i just couldnt resist responding.....yk tries to make it sound like such an impossible request, and yet it is so simple.

IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

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Erich

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AlanF

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