A question for all ex jws AND JW's here, btw I'm new too

by EndofMysteries 93 Replies latest jw friends

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    The problem really isn't the bible. Poor book. Poor writers of the bible, who probably had no idea they would be taken so seriously 2-3000 years later.

    The problem is with people who take it too seriously. If you decide to take it seriously for yourself, then I wish you all the best.

    But when I read posts like this, typical really, another bible believer thinking they have it right, I just shake my head. The challenge here is to read the bible.

    Jehovah's Witnesses say this. Catholics, Baptists, non Denominational Christians say this. Almost everyone says this to everyone else.

    "Why don't you (really) read your bible" is by implication, a challenge to read it with fresh eyes. But it isn't a challenge for you to read it to see what you get out of it. Almost always, its about reading it so you can see what "I" got out of it, because "I" am right.

    That is what I think of this initial post. No offense on my end meant, but what is good for you isn't likely to be good for most others.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Someone came here to count time, didn't they?

  • yknot
    yknot

    EndofMysteries.....

    I would hope you stick around and broaden you POV away from sweeping generalizations.

    Most Atheist/Agnostics on this board and around the world aren't into pushing "immorality" anymore than other people of faith. Many in fact are 'humanists' only wishing to encourage mankind in general to seek peaceful, balanced and unified upbuilding behavior so that all can prosper without taking away from another human being.

    What exactly has brought you to our little corner of the web? What is your "JW story".........

    I hope to see more of your commentary on this and other threads!

    Have a great day!

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Wow, too many responses to respond individually, but I'll answer what was the majority of questions.

    First, many are thinking I am still blindly following the organization, if I was, why would I have made those statements to the active JW's? I see a wrongness for the most part on both sides.

    Those who were offended or why I made claims some had left looking for an excuse to be immoral. That was based off of some threads about when leaving the organization have you been naughty or nice, or what did you do when you left, etc. Out of many of your own mouths. I did not see answers that were just against the 'human' understanding and teaching from them, but many that were flat out against the scriptures of 'any' bible. But seeing as how many don't believe in God, or the bible anymore, I guess that makes sense.

    For those asking why would the truth only be revealed to certain ones and not everybody. Can you all agree that most of the worlds problems are due to corruption? How people have attained positions, by lying and having ulterior motives, and once there the problems occur? The bible was written so that when Jehovah and Jesus see right heart condition, those really having faith, seeking out, etc, they can get understanding. If everything was black and white, then someone could try to follow or do the things to get saved, and also that it would be just words on a book. To help filter out and on the day of judgement those will really know based on their choices their judgement is true, and the faith building on those who are getting understanding that makes more sense then anything, that isn't even being taught, that no doubts it's from God.

    There is only one way I can think of describing it. Once learning how what was taught was not the full truth, the picture gets shattered. Then your given a box filled with hundreds of pieces of a puzzle. As you look at each piece, they do not make sense, and quite hard to understand. As your putting the pieces together (more then just the bible may be parts of the puzzle), then slowly your getting an understanding of what it is. As you get towards finishing it, all of it comes together and it becomes really clear.

    My 'story'. Raised as a jw, and fairly young was into the end days prophecies. Started doing research into them, and when looking up in revelation book, etc, could not accept that most of them had already happened. It appeared many were still due to happen in the future. Few years went by due to sickeness ,etc, then got back into it again. Doing major heavy research and reading, and saw how most of the prophecies WERE for the future and didn't happen back in 1918 to 1930's. Then trailed all the teachings, so see if faithful slave was as was told, and from bible reading, etc, definitely not. Then had deep prayer and more research, and all my questions were being answered in the bible. If the preaching would be done worldwide, WHY were JW's doing it, and Jehovah showed me in the bible an explanation of how it was being accomplished, even if not approved of many things they were doing. Then also the reasons understanding was not being given, and the sins they were committing, then a TON of scriptures opened up answering those questions. I got really freaked out one night when prayed to make sure i was not imaging this, then in less then 5 minutes I read this, Hosea 10:13 "you people have plowed wickedness. Uprighteousness is what you people have reaped. You have eaten the fruitage of deception, for you have trusted in your way, in the 'multitude' of your 'mighty ones'. An an uproar has arisen among you people, and your own fortified cities will be desolated. In the day of battle a mother will be dashed to pieces alongside her own sons. In this way one will certainly do to your people, o "bethel" because of your extreme badness". - perhaps that will encourage many to reread bible and look for answers with prayer. I was then and still am to this day, doing tons of reading, research, and notes, and each day more understanding. When talking to family, all of a sudden the responses and accusations, then seeing how identical things were happening to me as Jesus said would happen and his apostles. First time ever getting the persecutions was told would get when really trying to follow him. That's a very 'condensed' story.

    If many were expecting the persecutions, bad things from elders, or being DFed, etc which got me to this, I went through a LOT of bad things from my childhood on, accusastions, treated bad by elders when was just my mom and sis, etc. Being completely innocent, yet treated bad and harshly, never any help, etc, things which would of made many have just left long ago. The most it did was further encourage and show me how the love has cooled off and to seek answers why I saw more love and kindness in those who don't know the truth then in the organization. Yet after finding all of this out, I did not just say okay it's all a bunch of nothing, I see good in it. I can understand and relate to many who gone through this, and it helped refine me. Now I am much more of a slave to Jehovah and Jesus, even though mentally free, if you look at Jesus and his apostles, they didn't enjoy a freedom of human pleasure. I know that all the sacrifices I am now making, are not worthly of the rewards from Jehovah, and it's the very least should be doing.

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    EOM

    You lost me when you said:

    I can answer your question, but you would not understand, nor would any, until they have already studied and gone through what I have

    Isn't that exactly what CT Russell and JF Rutherford said?? It is also what every other cult leader says..."you can't understand these things without my special insight". Sorry, you shot your credibility with that remark. I would say that many on this board are superb Bible scholars...check out posts by Leolaia or Narkissos...you might find them enlightening...

    TYA

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    "I can answer your question, but you would not understand, nor would any, until they have already studied and gone through what I have"

    That was condescending, wasn't it? Maybe he has a problem with humility?

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    Amen Mrs. Jones

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Okay, for the last 2 responses, If you have read and compared the Dead sea scrolls, the book of Jasher, the book of enoch, secrets of enoch, book of jubilees, the Qu'ran, the two babylons, greek mythology, and the ancient pagan religions/gods/and their origins. That statement was because of that, I view the bible and those books and more as all part of a puzzle, and you will not understand what I was saying, if I am talking about books and things which you've never read before, nor are on the same page.

    Can you speak to someone in a different language and they understand if they don't know it? Can you talk to someone about calculus if they only understand basic math? Gotta be on the same page for certain things, has nothing to do with elevating myself, it's just have you read those things so you can understand what I would be talking about when referencing them or not.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    ALso, add to that "Thy kingdom come", the pyramids of gizeh, nostradomus, and the old lady prophet of the 1500's (forgot her name). I'm sure most here though are familiar with Thy Kingdom Come" though :)

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    Hmmmm...you must be quite the scholar to have read and mastered all of those writings and deciphered all of those mysteries of the ages. I will admit I don't read Hebrew, Aramaic or Koine Greek, thus I could not directly read the Dead Sea Scrolls. I don't believe in pyramidology, so the mysteries of the Giza pyramids mean nothing to me...neither do the prognostications of Nostradamus or the ancient Mayans. I don't buy into more modern writings such as the Qu'ran or the Book of Mormon. The apocraphyl books are interesting research documents.

    I guess that makes me unable to grasp the deeper things you are saying...

    TYA

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