Are Jehovah's Witnesses evil?

by SexyTeen 66 Replies latest jw friends

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  drahcir yarrum

  I guess it depends on your definition of "evil". I view people or groups of people who inflict pain and death on innocent people as evil. Building a doctrinal ban on blood transfusions that results in innocent children dying unnecessarily, is in my mind evil. Putting together doctinal bans on military service which have resulted in imprisonment and in some countries death to innocent young men is in my mind evil. Tearing families apart through disfellowshipping and shunning, in my book is evil. I could go on. So in my opinion, Jehovah's Witnesses are evil. The individuals who participate in this evil are misled dupes in most cases, but the Witnesses per se are an evil group.

  "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
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  AjaxMan

  SexyTeen - Ajaxman: I don't know yet. I spoke to an elder and asked what he recommended and he told me that although four years of school seems like a long time, that I won't regret because a bachelors degree is necessary for many jobs now adays. I like computers and a two year program seems good enough. I still have time to decide, meanwhile I will be going to a junior college.

  That's good, girl. You got the oportunity that many here didn't have. You may not want to take my following advice, but anyways, I still offer it:
  You make your own decisions about your future and your life, not man and not anyone can tell you to decide what you have to do in your life because in the end, it is you who is living your life, not the other person.

  Just some food for thought for you.

  Your never-was-JW friend,
  Ajax

  "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things and the best things never die." - The Shawshank Redemption
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  cat1759

  Sexyteen,
  After reading your post I was taken back to my youth. I was born and bred a JWs until my son was molested and the elders told me they were going to take action against me for opening the door to where my 3yr old son was suppose to go up against his perpetator and the three elders. My whole life flashed in front of me as they began telling me how little faith I had and I had allowed jehovahs spirit out the door. They sat my young son right next to her in the elders meeting. Yah, I kind of lost a part of me when I decided to open that door and take my son away as the elders did not listen to me when I had expressly asked them to make sure he is seated away from her.
  My father was an elder and my mother a pioneer. I never wanted to disrespect my parents as they had given me everything. My father stepped down after I told him i started to smoke. This was years after all this.
  In life you should question everything. Abuse you say, there wouldn't be any if more parents were in control of their kids. Hum, I never allowed anyone to baby-sit my four kids, except their aunt who happened to be a JWs. Even after she plead guilty in a court of law the elders still would not disfellowship her as there were no eyewitnesses of what she had done to my 3yr old son.
  Doesn't it make you wonder with all their false prophecies and life dispensing rules how true this religion could actually be? Who has the right to govern our lives? Only we do! With the bible's help we can all learn to love one another as when Jesus came to earth he told us that all other commandments are to be absolved and that there were two commandments to love God and your neighbor. I don't see that the JWs have brought much love to others. In fact there are some who wish they could commit suicide to get rid of the pain and guilt they feel inside themselves. We all had to make choices about standing up for our human rights or allowing others to dictate to us what is right and wrong. Some have never been disfellowshipped, they just don't have the same point of view. Does that make them wrong? I think not as God kept telling us to make the truth our own. Keep searching.

  As far as I am concerned, Jws are just another religion to keep people in line. People need to have freedom to make choices and not be chastized for it. That is the only way people learn and grow. Jws encourage stifling of this growth.
  I wish you the best in college. I know you will learn so much and experience things that seem out of the ordinary. Remember in life, everything is for a lesson to be learned.
  good luck
  cathy
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  teenyuck

  AJaxMan, I am not shoving this down her/his throat. It came to this board to learn. I have been very conservative in my posts. I never did a "Hi I'm new." post. I did not realize I should.

  I am finally getting my sealegs in this forum. If I want to make my point, loud and clear, to someone who sounds suspiciously like my mother, I will. I get exactly the same answers from her that Sexy Teen gave. Strange how a mind control organization will do that!

  On the other hand, she/he never answered about the pioneering issue. Why not pioneer Sexy Teen?
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  peaceloveharmony

  hi sexyteen and welcome to the forum. i just have a comment on something you said

  Regarding the smoking issue, I believe it is based on a principle in 2 Cor. 7:1 about being clean. Personally as far as smoking, I hate it, but I think elders do give someone that has that habit a chance to quit. If they don't quit, then I guess they're disfellowshipped. I don't know if that's right or not, but it's good if people don't smoke.

  puffsrule said

  You can believe all you want that smoking was the catalyst. No, my father being cut off from everyone was. I was 11. I was told I could not speak to my father. Is this normal? Is this healthy? NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! They are directly responsible for that

  so you're not sure if it's right or not to be df'd for smoking but if that happens then oh well, too bad if your family is torn apart by it. too bad your child can't talk to you anymore, at least maybe they'll quit smoking because that is SOO bad....is that really what you are implying with your statement i've quoted? especially with puffrules comments regarding this whole disfellowshipped for smoking issue?

  also, it's great you are going to college. college helped me a lot! i learned how to think critically which helps a lot in the real world. please keep an open mind and learn as much as you can about everything you are interested in.

  love
  harmony
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  NameWithheld

  Sexyteen, ask yourself this ...

  How will you feel when you are 60 years old, you have NO money, few friends (at least ones who stick by you no matter what), live in a crappy house, have a crappy family life, and are STILL being prodded at EVERY meeting to do more, more, more 'preaching' (book/mag sales)? And you've spent your life being told that you will never grow old and die before armageddon? Unlikely?

  Before you say "That will never happen" - consider the fact that every old JW is in this boat right now - having been told all the above. And now they face death totally unprepared. My parents are in that boat right now.
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  SexyTeen

  puffsrule: It is o.k. the way you posted. I don't pioneer because I am not baptized.

  namewithheld: I have not given thought to old age. I'm only 17.
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  bitter mango

  i don't think JWs are evil. well some are, but there are mean and evil people in every 'religion', race or culture . they just have a brutally fucked up belief system. i used to get so hurt my jw family cos they avoided those of us who arent jws, but i'm just as much to blame... i can't can't accept their beliefs and veiws any more than they can accept mine.

  p.s. welcome to the board sexyteen, hope you stick around, sometimes you can learn a lot around here. and from one kid to another, it doesn't matter how old you are NOW, you should always think of the future
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  NameWithheld

  Sexy, it's never too early to plan for old age. Do some graphs about how much would be in a 401K, for example, started at age 20 vrs age 30. You will be shocked. I'm not saying a 401K is the end all protection, there are no garuantees in life, but for me, I'd rather try to help myself than just wait for a mythical god creature to make everything better 'someday'. Life has proven that those who look after themselves fare better than those who sit around on welfare waiting for god to fix things. Good on you for going to college - you ARE doing some planning for the future then, see? Otherwise, if you really beleived that god was coming ANY day now, very soon, shortly, etc, you would get a window-washing job just to scrape by until armageddon. Thank goodness you're not - you will thank yourself in 20-40 years.

  Now, to your quote of ...

  "On point #5, it seems you were really hurt by what your parents went through. Sorry about that. I doubt that not having oral sex broke the marriage. I think there is more to love than sex. There must be other issues that were not explained to you, maybe because you were only 11. I agree that it is not normal. Have you been able to get over those problems? I hope so."

  shows that you are still yet very naieve (sp?) about life and relationships. Telling a man and women what they can and cannot do in the bedroom is rediculous and not a light matter. He had every right to be indignant about that. What a man and women do or don't do is NOBODY's business. And sexual frustration is one of the leading causes of marital tensions anyway, after money, and it get's worse when you stick the sexual preferences of 12 old fuddy duddy (UNMARRIED VIRGIN) men into the bedroom.
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  NameWithheld

  And I kind of hate to do this, but one of SexyTeen's quotes just highlighted to me why some might consider JW's "Evil". It was this ...

  "On the college thing, sorry you didn't go. I guess those were different times."

  I wouldn't say this attitude was evil. But it is quite uncaring ... "Sorry about your bad luck, shit happens, oh well" which is a very general attitude many JWs show towards past 'mistakes' of the WTBTS. "Sorry about getting your hopes up about 1975 brothers, I guess you all got carried away and read too much into it". No thoughts at all to the people's entire lives that were RUINED!

  SexyTeen, in the years up to 1975 the Kindom Ministries made quotes to the effect of how "some Brothers have sold homes and businesses, given up all that to pioneer in the few months that remain until 1975" - how do you think those poor people feel now, having sold their entire lives to 'preach' about how close the 'end' is - and now they are old and broke? Put youself in their place for a few moments. Don't you think you might feel a teensy bit aggrevated?

  And it's not like there's a retirement plan for old JWs - they are told to try and get help from family, or failing that to go on welfare. If the world was full of JWs, half the world would be on welfare, and the other half would be washing windows or cleaning floors!