adam & eve

by gotcha 126 Replies latest watchtower bible

pomegranate

>>God did not create us with sinful nature but with free will to choose.<<
Adam and Eve were given the opportunity to choose between Good (God) and Evil (Satan). That source of the OTHER choice was from Satan not God. Satan gave man a choice, God did not.
Right now, you and I have no choice. We ARE born in sin without choice to choose good or bad or not.
It's God who makes the choices now. He chooses perfectly.
pomegranate
"Something that starts off good can go bad on it's own (ie Satan), something that starts off bad needs God's help to become good (You and I)."
seven006

I can see a few old guys still laughing in their graves over their made up story of Adam and Eve. A talking snake, two naked people in a garden and a piece of fruit. I'm sure when they were writing this they said to each other "If people believe this story, they'll believe anything!" So goes the history of faith in the bible and those too insecure with themselves to try and use any amount of logic and reasoning to see through such things.
I do not discount the fact that there might be some supreme being floating around somewhere. If there is and he/she/it is indeed supreme in all things including intelligence, reasoning, logic and love I find it hard for such a being to play such childish games.
If god was so perfect do you think he would be so insecure to need us little humans to constantly be telling him how great he is? Hey, he's god, and he knows it, he doesn't need us to tell him anything!
How often does a loving parent set up little tests with their own children just so their kids can prove to their parents that they love them? Would any of you put a plate of cookies in eye shot of your own son or daughter and tell them never to eat one of those cookies or they would die? Of course you wouldn't, but you buy into a theory that a god who is far superior to you in every way would do this to his own children. That is considered cruelty and is against any normal human nature. If you love your kids and would not test them to prove their love for you then why do you think your mythical bible father God would do it?
God gave us a sinful nature because God is love, ya that makes sense. Any supreme being would do that. Create something that is bad so you can say "your bad and I'm good," again, how childish! Tell me how great and powerful I am and I'll be your friend and protect you from the boogie man devil, that just cracks me up. If the God in the bible isn't setting up humans to fail so that he can look good he's gathering up armies and killing entire civilizations. That's one hell of an ego good old God has, talk about insecurities. Being insecure with yourself is a key element in the bibles writers game. Buy into the mythical stories and they can sell you on anything, and they have done just that. Rack up another point for organized religion and their tax free money making status!
These concepts never cease to amaze me and prove how much some people need to believe in stories of power and superiority because they do not have enough confidence in their own abilities and intelligence to believe in themselves. You look around and try to see the worst in life and instead of doing something to improve it you kick back and believe some mythical creature is going to come to your rescue. How nice and comfy that is. Praise god and anything that happens in your life is because of god. Any thing bad that happens to you is because of the devil. That is so cute!
Believing in God is one thing, believing in some book of mythical creatures, man made laws to control and manipulate, and supreme insecuritiesis is just childish.
Dave
pomegranate

>>A talking snake,<<
Do you think Eve knew snakes did or didn't talk? I mean, do you think she had enough experience after coming out of the side of Adam to know whether animals (some or all) talked or not?
Adam surely knew they didn't talk, after all, he named all the animals just before the big fiasco. We know Adam wasn't deceived in that regard.
I personally beleive that was part of the deception to Eve, she didn't know better in regard to animals talking.
>>two naked people in a garden and a piece of fruit.<>I'm sure when they were writing this they said to each other "If people believe this story, they'll believe anything!" So goes the history of faith in the bible and those too insecure with themselves to try and use any amount of logic and reasoning to see through such things.<<
Your sure? Why? Surety is based on facts. Show me yours will you.
>>I do not discount the fact that there might be some supreme being floating around somewhere. If there is and he/she/it is indeed supreme in all things including intelligence, reasoning, logic and love I find it hard for such a being to play such childish games.<<
Sometimes what looks childish contains the depths of truth.
>>If god was so perfect do you think he would be so insecure to need us little humans to constantly be telling him how great he is?<<
That's not the point friend, he doesn't need us, we need him. He did us the favor. You got it backwards.
>>Hey, he's god, and he knows it, he doesn't need us to tell him anything!<<
Of which I don't. Do you?
>>How often does a loving parent set up little tests with their own children just so their kids can prove to their parents that they love them?<<
Where does it say God was testing? It doesn't. God created man full knowing they'd fail.
>>Would any of you put a plate of cookies in eye shot of your own son or daughter and tell them never to eat one of those cookies or they would die?<<
Would you eat the cookies your parents said not to eat if there were 40 thousand of the exact same cookies around that you could freely eat without penalty? Are you saying it is wrong for God to tell his creations what to do regardless of how seemingly menial stupid and meaningless the task might be?
>>Of course you wouldn't,<<
Of course your wrong. If the issue at hand was that there was one in creation (Satan) that was constantly DEFYING the Creator, and was dividing heavenly creation between himself and God, and that very defiance was going to spread into mankind, the plan is very satisfactory.
>>but you buy into a theory that a god who is far superior to you in every way would do this to his own children.<<
You are ignorant. I buy into the truth that God knew Adan and Eve were created for the intentional purpose to be contaminated by Satan.
>>That is considered cruelty and is against any normal human nature.<<
What? Asking yoour creation to do what their told. SOounds pretty reasonable to me. Since the whole issue in heaven was how to eliminate Satan, a creature who was originally created without the potential to die, because of his unwavering defiance, God had to develope the means by which to trash the problem. That's where mankind came in.
>>If you love your kids and would not test them to prove their love for you then why do you think your mythical bible father God would do it?<<
Well, your in your ignorance think it was a test to prove their love to God. It was nothing of the sort and is not supported by anything in the Bible. Mankind was created so Christ could come through the creation of corruption Satan created so Satan would eventually be resposible for the death of Christ, one who WAS FORMERLY God in heaven.
If Satan, the one claiming to be god, was not guilty of murdering another who was God, then there would be no way to terminate this adversary JUSTIFIABLY. If God chose to eliminate Satan, it had to be dome because of a BROKEN LAW. If there was no Law, then there could be no penalty.
>>God gave us a sinful nature because God is love, ya that makes sense.<<
God gave us a sinful nature as a protection. Adam and Eve plainly shows that WITHOUT God's guidance, men will choose WRONG. Now that we are bound to that choice made by Adam abd Eve, it is God that will have to choose to bring those he wants out of the abyss called sin. The whole thing is bent on WHO IS GOD. Satan says he is in full defiance to the point of violence. God begs to differ and shall drop the Devil in the big hole forever.
>>Create something that is bad so you can say "your bad and I'm good," again, how childish!<<
Satan made the creation bad. God made the creation good. God let the creation go bad, so he could save it. It's on the same idea as a technique for putting out a forest fire. You make a fire to stop a fire. God took the fuel out of Satan's continued contamination by binding all creatures after Adam and Eve into sin. Satan could corrupt no more becasue they all came into existance corrupted. A part of Satan's corrupting fire had been stopped.
>>Tell me how great and powerful I am and I'll be your friend and protect you from the boogie man devil, that just cracks me up.<<
You may get your wish to get cracked up.
>>If the God in the bible isn't setting up humans to fail so that he can look good he's gathering up armies and killing entire civilizations.<<
Killing began with Satan. Killing will end with God.
>>That's one hell of an ego good old God has, talk about insecurities.<>Being insecure with yourself is a key element in the bibles writers game.<<
God wrote the Bible. Careful where you tread.
>>Buy into the mythical stories and they can sell you on anything, and they have done just that.<<
The stories are true, Your understanding of them is false.
>>Rack up another point for organized religion and their tax free money making status!<<
The Bible is not man made religion, nor is it a man made book.
>>These concepts never cease to amaze me and prove how much some people need to believe in stories of power and superiority because they do not have enough confidence in their own abilities and intelligence to believe in themselves.<>You look around and try to see the worst in life and instead of doing something to improve it you kick back and believe some mythical creature is going to come to your rescue.<<
No, that's JW thinking. Any other person that reads the Bible would know that helping people out for there physical needs is the WORKS that are talked about in the Bible. So you are wrong again.
>> How nice and comfy that is. Praise god and anything that happens in your life is because of god. Any thing bad that happens to you is because of the devil. That is so cute!<>Believing in God is one thing, believing in some book of mythical creatures, man made laws to control and manipulate, and supreme insecuritiesis is just childish.<<
To you who does not understand. You are a classic mocker.
Good day/nite
JosephAlward

a Christian wrote,
I believe the story of Adam and Eve happened quite literally
Do you likewise believe all of the gospel stories? I think there is abundant evidence showing that they're contradictory. For example, in the book of Luke, the writer tells us that Mary knows that Jesus is the son of God, but the writer of the book of Mark makes it clear that Mary does not know that Jesus is God, because she thinks her son is a misguided nutcase who needs to be taken care of. Here are the relevant verses:
Luke 1:26-35
In the sixth month, God sent the angel to...a virgin [named] Mary...and said, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God....You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus...the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Mark 3:14-21
He appointed twelve--designating them apostles--that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach and to have authority to drive out demons....When his family [including Jesus’ mother: see Mark 3:31] heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." (Mark 3:14-21)
pomegranate

Hi Joe, Long time no see.
seven006

pomegranate,
<<<Do you think Eve knew snakes did or didn't talk? I mean, do you think she had enough experience after coming out of the side of Adam to know whether animals (some or all) talked or not?>>>
So you are saying Eve had the experience in life as well as the intelligence of a three year old and all of mankind is doomed to die because a brainless naked woman didn't know whether snakes talked or not?
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I do feel stupid now.
<<<Adam surely knew they didn't talk, after all, he named all the animals just before the big fiasco. We know Adam wasn't deceived in that regard. >>>
So Adam knew snakes didn't talk but he ate the fruit because he wanted to get laid instead of living forever? OK, I know guys like that. It's a bit of a stretch but Iv seen some guys that desperate.
>>two naked people in a garden and a piece of fruit.<<
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I'm sure you don't. Logic and reasoning mixed with a tad bit of intelligence is out of grasp for a lot of people. I would like to know what planet you live on. I could go there and be the king of the planet within hours.
<<<Sometimes what looks childish contains the depths of truth. >>>
And sometimes it's just childish. Little kids with gullible minds will believe anything.
<<<Where does it say God was testing? It doesn't. God created man full knowing they'd fail. >>>
So god made defective people on purpose? That's kind of like pregnant woman drinking all day and all night while smoking crack so her child will be born retarded. Yep, that's love in anyone's book!
<<< Are you saying it is wrong for God to tell his creations what to do regardless of how seemingly menial stupid and meaningless the task might be?>>>
No, It seems to work for you!
<<<Of course your wrong. If the issue at hand was that there was one in creation (Satan) that was constantly DEFYING the Creator, and was dividing heavenly creation between himself and God, and that very defiance was going to spread into mankind, the plan is very satisfactory.>>>
Yep, that was one hell of a plan. Why god didn't just kick Satan's ass in the first place is beyond me. He has that pillar of salt ray gun he could have used. But creating an entire race of creatures and killing them to get back at one single bad guy makes all the sense in the world to me. I guess I'm just all screwed up when it comes to the concept of love. Those guys who just crashed into the twin towers in New York must have loved the hell out of Americans.
<<<You are ignorant. I buy into the truth that God knew Adam and Eve were created for the intentional purpose to be contaminated by Satan. Since the whole issue in heaven was how to eliminate Satan, a creature who was originally created without the potential to die, because of his unwavering defiance, God had to develop the means by which to trash the problem. That's where mankind came in. >>>
If this is true, why try and do anything right? It's not about any of us but it's just god's way of wiping the universe out of talking snakes. Do you think that Australian guy "the crocodile hunter" is working for god?
<<<Mankind was created so Christ could come through the creation of corruption Satan created so Satan would eventually be responsible for the death of Christ, one who WAS FORMERLY God in heaven.>>>
So let me get this straight. Jesus was god, Jesus didn't like Satan, Jesus created man to prove that Satan was a bad guy. Then Jesus who was god created Adam and Eve knowing they would fail so that god could blame it all on Satan. Then jesus who was god came to earth as Jesus so he could die for people who were made to screw up in the first place so that he could again make Satan look bad?
Yep, makes sense to me!
<<<God chose to eliminate Satan, it had to be dome because of a BROKEN LAW. If there was no Law, then there could be no penalty.>>>
Sounds like Satan needs a good lawyer!
<<<God gave us a sinful nature as a protection. Adam and Eve plainly shows that WITHOUT God's guidance, men will choose WRONG.>>>
Wait a second here, I thought you said god make Adam and Eve knowing fully before hand that they would screw up. What does any guidance have to do with anything if they were created to fail in the first place? It seems according to your theory that no matter what Adam and Eve chose to do they were predestined to screw up. So why the guidance theory? Didn't god have any other toys to play with?
<<<The whole thing is bent on WHO IS GOD. Satan says he is in full defiance to the point of violence. God begs to differ and shall drop the Devil in the big hole forever.>>>
If the real god is so powerful I don't see him going through such a long drawn out ordeal to make a point. If god is all knowing shouldn't he know that he is the real god and not Satan? Couldn't he have just challenged Satan to an arm wrestling match or a friendly game of paintball? Why did god have to create man just to have them suffer and die to prove that Satan was a bad guy? Look's to me that god screwed up by creating Satan in the first place and he is going about fixing his mistake the hard way. I don't think your bible god is very smart.
<<<Satan made the creation bad. God made the creation good. God let the creation go bad, so he could save it. It's on the same idea as a technique for putting out a forest fire. You make a fire to stop a fire>>>
Your talking a forest fire here. Iv never seen firemen take out big hoses of fire to put out a building fire. I think that water works best in this case. But since I'm ignorant I may be wrong here.
<<<Killing began with Satan. Killing will end with God.>>>
Refresh my memory, who was it that Satan killed to begin with?
<<<God wrote the Bible. Careful where you tread.>>>
He did? which version? Which of the thousands of christian religions is the right one again, I forget?
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That is so sweet for you to say that. I appreciate the pity.
<<<To you who does not understand. You are a classic mocker.>>>
Classic mocker? I don't know about that. I would say that I am just an average mocker.
Hey this has been fun. Lets do it again real soon. Your fun to play with.
Take care and watch out for the boogie man!
Dave
pomegranate

>>So you are saying Eve had the experience in life as well as the intelligence of a three year old and all of mankind is doomed to die because a brainless naked woman didn't know whether snakes talked or not?<<
No, she didn't have the experience in life with the intelligence of someone who hadn't learned what was and wasn't true. Obviously "brainless" is not the case. Ignorant would be accurate.
>>Thanks for clearing that up for me, I do feel stupid now.<<
You said it not me.
>>So Adam knew snakes didn't talk but he ate the fruit because he wanted to get laid instead of living forever? OK, I know guys like that. It's a bit of a stretch but Iv seen some guys that desperate.<<
Well, I'd call it more like love. He loved his wife more than God. He'd figured he'd rather go down with the ship ya know? I'd of done the same thing with my wife. You?
>>I'm sure you don't. Logic and reasoning mixed with a tad bit of intelligence is out of grasp for a lot of people. I would like to know what planet you live on. I could go there and be the king of the planet within hours.<>So god made defective people on purpose?<<
No, God made good people on purpose. Satan made them bad people which God let happen.
>>That's kind of like pregnant woman drinking all day and all night while smoking crack so her child will be born retarded. Yep, that's love in anyone's book!<<
Your illustration has supported nothing you are premising.
>>Yep, that was one hell of a plan. Why god didn't just kick Satan's ass in the first place is beyond me.<<
For what? What LAW was Satan breaking? Without LAW, a just God can do nothing immediately. Time was needed to build LAW. Justice being executed needs LAW. Without LAW, there is no justice.
>>He has that pillar of salt ray gun he could have used. But creating an entire race of creatures and killing them to get back at one single bad guy makes all the sense in the world to me.<<
God created only two, not an entire race. Adam and Eve committed suicide. The bad human race was a creation of Satan.
>>I guess I'm just all screwed up when it comes to the concept of love. Those guys who just crashed into the twin towers in New York must have loved the hell out of Americans.<<
Your point?
>>If this is true, why try and do anything right?<<
Because it feels good.
>>So let me get this straight. Jesus was god, Jesus didn't like Satan,<<
Satan was a defiant creature who hated God (Father and Son)...
>>Jesus created man to prove that Satan was a bad guy.<<
Mankind was created to bring LAW into being.
>>Then Jesus who was god created Adam and Eve knowing they would fail so that god could blame it all on Satan.<<
More like so Satan could be "god" over more of the true God's creations. Except this creation had a hook attached. LAW.
>>Then jesus who was god came to earth as Jesus so he could die for people who were made to screw up in the first place so that he could again make Satan look bad?<<
Jesus, who was fomerly God in heaven was put to death as a man by Satan's creation of corrupt mankind. He then was respponsible for murdering one who WAS God by way of his own corruption. A simple LAW that was created through the creation of man could now go into effect and be put around Satan's neck. Life for Life.
For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction. That law of physics was formed after a spiritual action.
The action was, one who WAS NOT god stepped up and assumed the highest position, godship.
The reaction was, one who WAS God, stepped down and relinguished godship to the lowest possible position. DEAD.
>>Yep, makes sense to me!<<
Instead of being sacastic, why don't you think about it.
>>Wait a second here, I thought you said god make Adam and Eve knowing fully before hand that they would screw up. What does any guidance have to do with anything if they were created to fail in the first place?<<
That's how they failed, and how God knew they would fail. No Divine guidance of what is right and wrong spells sure failure.
>>It seems according to your theory that no matter what Adam and Eve chose to do they were predestined to screw up. So why the guidance theory? Didn't god have any other toys to play with?<<
No guidance from God, meant predestined to go wrong. They both fit and do not contradict.
>>Didn't god have any other toys to play with<<
Instead of being sacastic, why don't you think about it.
>>If the real god is so powerful I don't see him going through such a long drawn out ordeal to make a point.<<
That is your problem. You don't understand Justice. Nor Law. If God created the life form of Satan as good, and there was no LAW because there was no bad ever, if Satan began practicing bad, what was God to do? Justice demands LAW, and justice cannot be performed without law. For a certainty, what satan was doing was wrong, but when there is no law, there can be no accounting.
>>If god is all knowing shouldn't he know that he is the real god and not Satan?<<
That is not the issue. The issue is to rid creation of this being who is a FUNGUS on the good. In order to do that, it had to be done JUSTIFIABLY. That means LAW had to be instituted. Before Satan, there was NO SUCH THING AS LAW. Why? Because there was NOTHING BAD.
>>Couldn't he have just challenged Satan to an arm wrestling match or a friendly game of paintball?<<

Instead of being sacastic, why don't you think about it.
>>Why did god have to create man just to have them suffer and die to prove that Satan was a bad guy?<<
He did not create man just to have them suffer. He created man to have them saved. Man in fact was the honored tool that would help eliminate the problem. Death and suffering are a temporary condition. God too was/is suffering, and the way heaven was (in turmult), was the way earth was going to become. There was no way around, because Satan was not going to just go away. He was going to disrupt it ALL, because he is a "god."
>>Look's to me that god screwed up by creating Satan in the first place and he is going about fixing his mistake the hard way.<<
No, God didn't screw up, Satan screwed up by defiance. Yes, the fix is the hard way because what Satan regurgitated with him being a full fledged adversary of God, is ALL things are BOUND UP BY HIM. God starts it, Satan stops it. God makes it good, Satan turns it bad, etc. There would be no easy fix, but the fix would be righteous and just. That means pain, suffering and time for ALL that God had created including his Son. He feels/felt our pain and suffering.
>>I don't think your bible god is very smart.<>Your talking a forest fire here. Iv never seen firemen take out big hoses of fire to put out a building fire. I think that water works best in this case. But since I'm ignorant I may be wrong here.<<
Buildings aren't living things now are they? Trees are living things. In order to save other living things, living things would be have to be sacrificed so there would be no more fuel for the fire. Until the ultimate TREE would be sacrificed to stop the ongoing sacrifice. Soon. So soon.
>>Refresh my memory, who was it that Satan killed to begin with?<<
Satan is guilty of one man's death, Jesus. Adam and Eve are guilty of their own deaths by their own hand.
>>Hey this has been fun. Lets do it again real soon. Your fun to play with.<<
You might learn something. :-)
Actually, I am impressed by your questions.
Tatiana

OMG, pom, is that you???? How could I have missed you here? I looked for you elsewhere, but thought you'd disappeared. I'm so glad to see you.
Sorry I won't comment on this thread right now. I'm just so happy to see you!
April
If you bury the truth under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way.--Emile Zola, J'accuse
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aChristian

Joseph,
I have seen you attack the Bible here several times before. But this was the worst aledged Bible contradiction I have ever seen you post. Obviously the "family" members who thought Jesus was "out of his mind" in Mark 3:21 did not include Jesus' mother, because Mark 3:31 clearly indicates that Jesus' mother "arrived" after they had said this.
When I first got on the Net I had many E mail conversations with Bible critics. They would usually first present me with two or three so-called "Bible contradictions." They would tell me that if I could help them resolve those few "contradictions" then they might be able to seriously consider what the Bible has to say about Jesus Christ. But after I clearly showed them that the "Bible contradictions" they had presented me were really not contradictions at all they only threw more of such "contradictions" at me. And so it went. I have no intention on starting the same thing again with you.
The only real question for Christians seems to be, "If the Bible is really the word of God why is it so filled with things for critics to criticize and even Christians themselves to have trouble with?" To find the answer to this question it helps if we understand that Jesus Christ Himself is the God of the Bible. He is not just the God of the New Testament but He was in fact also the great "I Am" of the Old Testament.(John 8:58)
How does that help us answer this question? Let's remember how Jesus taught. Mark tells us that whenever Jesus spoke to crowds of people which contained both His friends and His enemies, "He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples he explained everything. " (Mark 4:34) Why did Jesus speak in parables? Why did He go to all the trouble of telling such often hard to understand stories to crowds which gathered to hear Him speak? Was the purpose of the parables to help all who listened to Jesus come to clearly understand the deep things of God? No, it was not. In fact often Jesus' purpose in speaking the way that He did was just the opposite. Jesus told His disciples, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that though seeing they may not see and though hearing they may not understand." (Luke 8:10, see also Mt. 13:10-15)
Jesus understood that many of His listeners had hearts hardened against Him, and from such people, through the use of parables, He deliberately withheld "the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God." He did so by incorporating into those parables elements which He knew His enemies would find fault with and the spiritually lazy would end up stumbling over.
The Bible says the Lord is "the same yesterday and today and forever." Is it any wonder then that He caused the Bible to be written in the same way that He, as Jesus Christ, spoke to audiences which contained both His friends and His enemies? Remember, He did so in a way that would give His enemies opportunity to find fault, the spiritually lazy opportunity to stumble and His true disciples opportunity to gain "the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God." And the Bible's audience is made up of the same kinds of people who listened to Jesus' parables, is it not? And since the entire Bible was inspired by the speaker of those parables, doesn't it make sense that the entire Bible was written in the same way that those parables were spoken? In a way that would only give those with hearts inclined towards God the opportunity to learn "the secrets of the kingdom of God." I think it does.
seven006

Pomegranate,
It is obvious that you are very serious about your belief in Adam and Eve. In that respect I think I need to take this from playing with you to a point of getting serious. I did not intend to let it go this far but I was board yesterday so I had a little fun. I do not get involved with threads such as these because I know the are a waste of time and go nowhere. I am not the fool that I seem to be or as shallow as my posts may appear. I have studied volumes of religious and philosophical theory and I am quite secure with my thoughts on the whole issue. As with most Christians that I have had such discussion with you could have God sitting in the chair next to them telling them that they are wrong and they still wouldn't believe it.
Since I see that you are serious and that I was only playing I apologize if I had offended you in any way. Even though I was board and wanted to play, I do not want to take this issue any farther than it has been taken. I don't think you would like what I had to say and the volumes of research that I would post in an attempt to make the story of Adam and Eve look more ridicules than It actually is.
It is your belief and your love for God in regard to your interpretation of the bible and it is not necessary for me to argue the point with you. Even though I do not agree with the bible and it's alleged divinity I do however respect Christians and their right to believe as they choose just as I do most religions.
If you would like me to take the time to post similar stories about biblical myth that have been copied directly from stories made up five hundred years before the story of Christ that are identical and taken from both Hindu and Buddhist myths I will do that. If you know anything about the stores of both Krishna and Buddha you might have an idea of the amazing similarities and how the Jewish and Christian faiths adopted these stories on behalf of their own proclaimed saviors. Because of the fact, my taking the time to post such things would probably mean nothing to you and you will not have an open mind in reading them so I will not take the time to do it. If you have ever read the story of Buddha then you might want to check out the link below.
I am not a Buddhist nor a Hindu. I am very non religious. If you are the slightest bit interested in finding out more about such things and are willing to look beyond the simple teachings of Christianity in regard to religious myth I would suggest starting with Joseph Campbell works. His books "Power Of Myth" and " Masks Of God" are a good start. You will also find many adopted theories and myths that the Christians also borrowed from the Hindu and Buddhist religions by reading directly from their source in either the Vedas or the Upanishads. I also recommend Ernest Renan's "Life of Jesus" and S. Radhakrishnan 's : Religion and Culture.
If you do decide to investigate these issues I must warn you, it might shake your faith up a little. Most Christians that said they have read these things have not, but only have read a Christian's interoperation of them. It's like accepting the JW's word for what other religions teach. Iv yet to have one Christian that I recommended these books to actually read them. They tend to want to stay in their nice little cocoon and believe in talking snakes and bad fruit stories.
Again, sorry I did not take you seriously. If you choose to find out for yourself about what I have stated above and not just take the word of Christian leaders then have fun reading. If not, then I understand, I did the same thing when I was a JW, now I know better.
Here are a few more links about subject matter I mentioned above:
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Hinduisms_influence.htm#Buddha%20and%20Jesus
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/campb.htm
Take care,
Dave

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