by Darth plaugeis 64 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Darth, spot on my friend. Referneces to serpents in the NT are all about SNAKES at any rate.
....but hey we already know what the answer will be here shortly. ....Shall I dare a preemptive quote?... "The bible was imperfectly written and the copyists lost the REAL meaning of SERPENT and mixed it up with snakes".
We KNOW this because? ....
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WMF I love the responses and their take.
I have my Christian Views of Biblical story's.
This Account ALWAYS disturbed me from a child as a Non JW to a JW to TODAY!
You can see how this small story in the Bible can EXPLODE INTO some explaining their take and it sounds like they were there witnessing the Dirty DEED!
Everyone brings something new each time from hearing snakes..... YES I SAID SNAKES 
having legs which I brought to all those others we have seen.
Genesis never mentioned snakes had legs...... but it has been seriously talked about.
And let's talk about the Tree Of Life.........
PLEASE... God needs to put a tree like that for?????? what? I thought he was all powerful? Again Figurative??? Why are Angles guarding the Garden...ha kinda Rhymes
then had a flaming spinning Sword to Guard the Tree Of Life.
Have you guys read The God Delusion?
Referneces to serpents in the NT are all about SNAKES at any rate.
That's not accurate, dear WMF (peace to you!). Some... most... were about men. Such men were referred to as the "offspring" (Greek - gennema)... of "vipers." In the physical world "vipers" are poisonous "snakes." Yet, the word "snake" didn't even exist at the time the words were uttered... nor did "serpent." BOTH terms were mistransliterated... by those who didn't have a CLUE as to what the writings were speaking of. They were speaking of SARAPHS... or seraphs... which are "fiery flying serpents." Which is what ALL spirit beings are. They are fiery... they fly... and they are serpents... which are NOT snakes.
The reason my Lord referred to THESE as offspring of "vipers" however, is because of who THEIR "father" is: Beli-Jah-El, the Slanderer (Satan)... who is a DEATH-dealing seraph. A POISONOUS serpent. He is POISONOUS... because what came out of HIM... the LIE... opened the way for DEATH... to enter the physical world.
Especially large or poisonous snakes are commonly called serpents,
By earthling man, yes, dear Darth (peace to you, as well)...
and biblical tradition calls the shape Satan assumed to tempt Eve a serpent.
And "tradition" means... what? Since when has "tradition" been something we're supposed to put our faith in? Indeed, didn't that same book, the Bible... recorded Christ as chastising the religious know-it-alls of HIS day (in the flesh)... for their TRADITIONS? Which of them (the traditions) were correct? Accurate? Praised? KEPT????
The shape of this seraph (i.e., fiery, flying serpent)... at the time... was just as that of an able-bodied man, albeit, quite opulent... and with wings. He stood... and walked... upright. He was not entwined in a the tree. Afterward, he was cursed so that he can no longer stand upright; he must now crawl.
But technically speaking, all snakes can be called serpents, from the Latin derpere, meaning to creep.
The word didn't become used among man to describe what snakes ARE. It is used... to describe what snakes DO. Creep. As does this one, now. Unlike the other spirit beings who have the privilege of STANDING before the throne of God when they entered in before the Most Holy One of Israel... because STANDING before the throne is an HONOR... this one, when he was still allowed to enter... had to crawl. He couldn't stand up if he WANTED to. He was DISGRACED... because he failed to acknowledge the sovereignty of the Most Holy One Israel before earthling man (A&E) and conceded to THAT One's AUTHORITY to decide what was best for A&E. Because of this he HAD to bow... because he could no longer stand… and so he was cursed TO crawl… and keep HIS head BELOW the throne… literally.
However, scientists use the word snake to mean any member of the taxon Serpentes, generally considered a suborder of the order Squamata, although Serpentes actually sits closest to monitor lizards in the evolutionary tree of lizards. (Snakes, then, are really just one legless subset of lizards.)
And that is totally fine to define something of THIS world... but not of THAT one...
While the word serpent may be used as a synonym for any snake, a viper is any member of the solenoglyph snakes, including rattlesnakes, adders, water moccasins, and copperheads.
It's origin, however, which occurred LONG before earthling man even knew what a synonym was... or had books to explain it... had absolutely nothing to do with earthly animals. It meant a death-dealing seraph... which is what Satan was and is.
Generally, systematic herpetologists place vipers in two families. They are the Viperidae, or Old World vipers (adders, puff adders, etc.), which lack heat sensory pits on the face, and the Crotalidae (pit vipers), found in southeastern Asia and the Americas, which do have sensory pits on the face, including the rattlesnakes, bushmasters, fer-de-lance, cottonmouths, and tree vipers.
C'mon, people... supposedly Adham named the animals. Do you really think Eve was SO naive that she wouldn't have NOTICED that a snake... which is an animal that CAN'T talk... was talking to her? Don't you think the FIRST thing on her mind would be "HOW is this animal speaking to me??" Okay, Satan used "ventriloquism." Don't you think she would have ASKED... "HOW are you speaking to me??" Or ran. Or told Adham, "Hey, Adham, the snake talks!" Or, "Hey, Adham, "something is MAKING the snake talk!"
She KNEW who was speaking to her! He was SUPPOSED to be her protector!! Both she and Adham had SPOKEN with this seraph BEFORE. He (the seraph) didn't break in... or sneak... into the garden. He was PLACED there; it was his ASSIGNED TERRITORY... his "principality!" He was a PRINCE... indeed, the "Prince"... of "PERSIA"... where the garden WAS:
"'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created tillwickednesswas foundin you. Through your widespread TRAFFIC (i.e., coming and going... between here and there!) you were filled with violence, andyou sinned. So I drove youin disgracefrom the mount of God, and I expelled you,O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, andyou corrupted your wisdombecause of your splendor.So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings."
Some of you will get this; some of you won't. Neither is my responsibility. It is the truth, however... whether you get THAT... or not.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SA
Nice post thanx again. I do enjoy the information.
Mathew 7:10, Luke 11:11, Jesus isnt talking about seraphs.
Numbers 21:7-9 isnt talking about seraphs biting the israelites.
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Referneces to serpents in the NTare all about SNAKES at any rate. (Emphasis SA's).
Hmmmmm....
Mathew 7:10, Luke 11:11, Jesus isnt talking about seraphs.
Okay, that's two references, dear WMF (again, peace to you), however, there are more (about 15). But I have to ask, have you researched the Greek word used to depict "serpent"? If not, I leave you to that. If so... may I ask... if it was Satan who spoke "through" a serpent in the garden (vs. a serpent that actually spoke itself)... why is "he" still a "serpent" in the Revelation? Wouldn't that suggest that it actually was a serpent, literally? I mean, is it really a snake that goes off to "wage war with the remaining of [the woman's] seed? Yet, the "serpent" is CALLED Satan and Devil. So, how is it that a snake was merely USED in Eden... and so "cursed" because, what, it allowed itself to be so used... and yet Satan IS a serpent?
Numbers 21:7-9 isnt talking about seraphs biting the israelites.
Actually, it is. The people were bitten by poisonous snakes (NOT serpents)... and in order to live had to keep their eyes on the COPPER snake that Moses was directed to construct. Right? Before we go further, let me ask you: how is it that Moses CONSTRUCTED this... image... and then told the Israelites to gaze upon it... when he was supposedly told to NOT make any image at ALL... of anything in heaven OR on earth... NOR were the Israelites to bow DOWN before any such thing??? I will tell you how:
The "copper serpent"... represented the GREATEST seraph (serpent), second only to the Most Holy One of Israel Himself... Christ... whose coloring is COPPER. Every one of the Israelites had been BITTEN... by a poisonous SNAKE... and so was in line to die. BUT... if they looked INTENTLY at the IMAGE Moses RAISED UP over them... they would live. In the SAME way... ISRAEL... since that time... has been "BITTEN"... by POISONOUS SERPENTS (not snakes)... in that they have been SUBJECTED to the LIES and FALSE TEACHINGS... POISON/WORMWOOD... of the OFFSPRING of VIPERS... those who my Lord CALLED such: false christs/religious leaders. BOTH of Judaism... and the false "christianity" that came OUT of that.
If, then, WE... Israel... and those who go WITH... do NOT want to DIE... as a result OF such poisonous "bites"... then, LIKE THE ISRAELITES of THAT day... we, TOO... MUST... keep OUR gaze... ON THE COPPER SERPENT. Which copper serpent... copper SERAPH... is Christ. (Daniel 10:6; Revelation 1:15).
Again, I cannot make this up. It is NOT mine... but I am GIVEN... to share with the Household of God, Israel... and those who go with... and the world.
And, again, I bid YOU peace.
A slave of Christ,
SA
