Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute (page 16)

OUTLAW

IsaacAustin..

Debator/Reniaa is not confussed..

She doesn`t completely understand what Jehovah`s Witness`s believe,nor is she willing to take the time to learn..

So she just makes shit up..

Debator/Reniaa has proven time and time again she is not a Real Jehovah`s Witness..

.................... ...OUTLAW

isaacaustin

I agree Outlaw. I love the answers given when they try to answer why they, if they are a true believing JW, are visiting an apostate website. Comedy at its finest.

Reniaa/Debator, why do you not take the governing body's counsel seriously to not visit apostate websites?

LOL

isaacaustin

Debator/Reniaa is not confussed..

Could it be she just has gas?

OUTLAW

Could it be she just has gas?.....IsaacAustin

Do continuous Brain Farts count?..

.................... ...OUTLAW

debator - What those who are "not under", is the condemnation that the law demands for violation. The law could never acquit or justify, only condemn. In other words a death sentence. but that is for unintentional transgression. Willful transgression is a whole nother matter. See Heb 10:26-29 which jw's hardly ever quote, while you can hardly ever go to a meeting without hearing them quoting Heb 10:23-25. What hypocrisy! It's as bad as the Talmud saying that as long as you keep the Sabbath that you are keeping the whole law. BTW - I ran into a couple of my orthodox Jewish contacts today and asked how Rosh Hashanah(their New Year) could be the New Year when it's in the 7th month. After one explained that 150 years ago one could "get burned" for asking such questions, the other simply said I had to consult the Talmud and then got very busy and had to get back to work. LOL

debator

Hi Freydo

Yes lets look at hebrews 10 starting with the first verse.

Hebrews 10 :1
1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship

The law foreshadowed Jesus who could do what all that animal sacrifice couldn't he fulfilled the law. He gave us the covering we couldn't get through the law but we still live by the principles of the law indeed but not the parts of the law which covered the jews until Jesus's sacrifice for us they have been fulfilled once and for all time. I have no problem quoting the passages you mention and we do use them a lot, ask any ex-JW on here. Hebrews 10: 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

It's understanding that we are actually under Greater personal commitment now than ever before when jews lived under the Mosaic law. They did what they were told to do but as Christians we fully understand why we do what we do. We are no longer children as Jews were and are still waiting for a messiah they rejected to take the yoke of the sacrifices off them.

We understand sin now as Christians and why we must avoid it and how Jesus's sacrifice covers our imperfection. If we turn to sin now rejecting Jesus's sacrifice after this knowledge we can only have fearful expectation of God's wrath.

Joey Jo-Jo

PSacramento and isaacaustin - sorry didn't read your post right, was tired.

I have been looking into trinity, from what I understand from a NT viewpoint Jesus is our God and GOD is our father?

SO could this be mean that when Jesus says "I AM" he's referring to himself being now our God? or

Also could Jesus be speaking as a title-being god?, e.g. Joey is president and Tom is secretary, but one day Joey feel sick for 1 day so Tom on that 1 day became president, Tom is not Joey but Tom became what I was in position/title.

Also according to trinity "these 3 persons are completely equal in attributes, each with the same divine nature"

Could this in harmony with the points made in Reasoning from the Scriptures?

Holy spirit is greater than the son of man - Matt 12:31,32

Father is greater than Jesus - John 14:28

God is more than Jesus 1 cor 11:3, 15:27-28

Jesus refers to Father as the one true GOD Joh 17:1-3

The book Kingdom Of Cults makes some very good points about trinity being true, but I need to deepen my studies for a sound decision, at the moment all of this is a bit confusing for me.

freydo

In the more than 10 years of sitting through jw meetings I don't know if I ever heard Heb 10:26-29 quoted - and although I no longer am in posession of the wtcd-rom - i do know that there are precious few references to it. What is quoted below is from a UCGI pamphlet that may be obtained in full at the address given.

"Paul and the Law" Copyright@ 2002 Church of God International - Tyler Texas PO Box 2525 75710 - for complete free copy

"The apostle describes the law as a "custodian" from which the Chirstian has been set free; yet at the same time, he views the law as holy and just and good." He affirms that only 'the doers of the law will be justified," yet declares that all who are in Christ have "died to the law.".........Little wonder Paul's epistle evokes so much controversy.....The solution lies in understanding that the law plays more than one role.

The apostle strongly denounces the idea that Christians, thru faith "over throw the law,' declaring instead that we "uphold the law." Rom 3:31..The law then is God's ethical and moral standard. It teaches us how to live.....This is the Educative role of the Law....However, the law has another function--The Judicial Role.

In it's second function, the law acts as a "custodian"-- but only for those not in Christ. it is this role of the law that Paul had in mind when he says, "You are not under law, but under grace. Rom 6:14 when he describes the law that kept us under it's power "until Christ came."

Under condemnation, the law informs us of our need for a savior--one who can block out of record of sin.....When we come to conversion, through faith in Christ, the law's role as custodian is abolished. No longer can the law demand our death...The curse has been removed. Gal 3:31

We should now be able to understand how Paul can insist upon meeting the requirement of the law while without contradiction, speaking of the law's transitory role....by calling upon the Galatians to listen to the law - the educative role - while upholding his warnings against engaging in the works of the flesh - all of which are condemned. Gal 5 .........So oviously he also recognizes the perpetual teaching nature and the judicial role of the law.

The law was added in the sense that it was given in "codified form" at Sinai. Of course this does not mean that the principles set forth in the law were previously unknown.......It is extremely important to understand that the law's abolition as custodian thru faith in Christ does not mean the abolition of the law......Paul did not say that the law died; he said we died to the law.

Serving in the "new life of the spirit", means striving no longer to break God's law. The judicial role of the law called for our death, which was fulfilled.....the educative role calls for our obedience. "I delight in the law." Rom 7:22 In Christ we are no longer under the law's power to identify and punish us as sinners....having been set free from the curse...but not the law."

WARNING - Seeking justification by the law (rather than thru faith in Christ) is not the only way to revive the law's judicial role of identifying and punishing transgressions. Returning to a life of sin--the works of the flesh--will accomplish the same.

God did give the Israelites commands concerning sacrifices--even before leaving Egypt. What he means here is that he never commanded sacrifices without moral responsibility. He is not pleased with mere sacrifices. He is not like the pagan gods."

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