Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute

by oldlightnewshite 172 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  John1one

  Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" Bible and its rendering of John 1:1, it may interest you to some that there is soon to be published an 18+ year study (as of 10/2010), a thoroughly researched reference work in support and explanation of their wording of this verse (especially within the third clause with "a god"), as it will be entitled, "What About John 1:1?"

  To learn more of its design and expected release date, we invite you to visit:

  Good Companion Books

  Agape, JohnOneOne.
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  coffee_black

  Circular reasoning...

  Hypothetical conversation with a JW.

  JW Hi! I’m John and would like to share some thoughts from the Bible with you.

  HouseHolder You’re one of those Jehovah Witnesses aren’t you.

  JW Why, yes, I am.

  HH. Ok, tell me why I should become a JW.

  JW Well we are God’s Spirit directed organization! We are His only channel of communication on earth! We are called by His name, Jehovah. We are Witnesses of Jehovah! No other religion on earth is called by His name! He uses the organization to direct His work throughout the world.

  HH That sounds impressive. Didn’t the Watchtower predict that Armageddon was going to come in 1975?

  JW Oh no, we never said that.

  HH Are you sure? I had an aunt…she’s dead now, but she was a JW and she and her husband sold their business and house and they went out west to preach. They said the time was very short and they needed to warn as many people as they could before Armageddon came…and she said it was coming in 1975! She showed me magazine articles that pointed to that date. She was so sure! But of course it didn’t happen like she thought it would…like it was in her magazines. They kept at it though… ran out of money by 1980…they had to start up a business all over again from scratch, but it was really hard because by then they were in their early 60s…too young to collect Social Security.. They didn’t even have health insurance until they finally qualified for Medicare! She had some health issues too… My family was pretty upset about the whole thing

  JW Well I know we never said the exact words “Armageddon is coming in 1975”

  HH Maybe not those exact words, but they did point to that date, for sure. I remember it as if it was yesterday. None of the rest of the family bought into it…and she was in a near panic about it trying to convince us all. I remember how all her friends were so proud of them for what they did! There was even a party for them when the left for their trip out west. If they didn’t teach it, why would they encourage them to do what they did?

  JW Well we are imperfect men after all! and sometimes we make mistakes.

  HH I see…imperfect men, huh? I don’t think my aunt ever knew that. So tell me again, why should I become a JW?

  JW Well we are God’s Spirit directed organization! We are His only channel of communication on earth! We are called by His name, Jehovah. We are Witnesses of Jehovah! No other religion on earth is called by His name! He uses our organization to direct His work throughout the world!

  Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

  You know, I never expected perfection from the WT. What I did expect was honesty…and humility. Neither of which was evident.

  Coffee
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  debator

  Hi John1

  Thank you. I will look out for it. Although I've been totally convinced since I found out about the sahidic coptic which really was the nail in the coffin for trinitarians using this as a proof text. It was nice that a third century transcript upholds the witnesses on this, a confirmation of their stand with the NWT rendition of John 1:1c.
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  Fernando

  Reasons

  1. "The truth" is a person, not doctrinal supremacy and dissection (aka Pharisaic gnat straining).
  2. God hates religion. Religion is not "the way" to God, Jesus is (John 14:6).
  3. Jesus was against religion, religionists, and teaching religion (proselytizing) Matt 23:15. Instead he promoted evangelizing (teaching the REAL “good news”).
  4. They believe, preach and teach a lethal and false one-ingredient "good news" - having removed all or most of the ingredients related to Jesus' high-priesthood and high-priestly roles. A simple test will reveal this: ask them to explain in writing what the "good news" is in one word, then ask them to expand to one phrase/sentence, and finally 1-3 paragraphs. Their own publications condemn their version of the "good news" as a "sham good news" and "counterfeit good news" (w82 8/15 p. 22 pars. 11-13). Go figure!
  5. They are blind to the "good news" according to Paul, to whom half of all the Bible's references to the "good news" belong. Ask a Watchtower religionist to identify and explain the powerful ingredient of the "good news" referred to in their own 2009 year text (Acts 20:24). They remain unable, no matter how many times they read this verse - clear evidence of spiritual blindness, confusion, inebriation and insanity.
  6. Their faith and salvation has been stolen from them as part of "a deeply laid plot with strong power to deceive" by the VISIBLE golden calf, pseudo-mediator and false Christ - yet they insist on continuing to bow down to and defend this calf. You can show them proof of all the calf's lies, using even only their own Bible and publications, and they remain unmoved, apathetic and disinterested, clearly under a powerful demonic spell (the spirit of religion and legalism, g79 6/8 pp. 27-28).
  7. They mindlessly suppress nagging doubts while adopting and using the golden calf's demonic reasoning to "legitimately" reject Jesus' mediatorship, the New Covenant (aka the Christian Faith), the figuratively and ceremonially drinking the blood of the covenant for forgiveness of sins, and similarly partaking of Jesus' flesh.
  8. God is calling us all to become religiously passive and spiritually active - the WBTS demands exactly the opposite - reacting venomously to any that become spiritually active and sighted, and see their spiritual nakedness. The WBTS has institutionalised the central teaching of demons - unrepentance, exactly as bearers of the divine name have done for thousands of years prior, as recorded in the Bible.
  9. Their illegitimate blasphemous "star chamber" Judicial or Judging Committees which routinely pervert mercy and justice especially against weaker and defenceless victims, whilst arrogantly twisting scripture to claim that their decisions bind the heavens!!! How galling and shameful. It is very telling that no "Repentance Counselling Committee" or "Spiritual Healing Committee" has ever existed. The focus is undeniably evident to all but spiritually inebriated religionists themselves.
  10. To any Watchtower religionists reading this post: how exactly will more reasons benefit you if you're still unmoved by the blatant apostasy above - the detestable things being done in Jerusalem in the name of God?

  It is important to note that most of the flock are sincere but badly deceived, passively ignorant, spiritually lost, unrighteous. They need to hear the REAL "good news" about the REAL Jesus, so as to establish a REAL relationship with our "older brother" so as to reconnect with God on HIS terms, instead of passively following the golden calf.

  The situation amongst the majority of the leaders is however exactly as it was amongst the congregation elders (Pharisees) and Governing Body (Sanhedrin) in Jesus' day. They have been deeply corrupted spiritually by greedily imbibing the harlot's wine - religion, which includes drinking of power, glory and authority unlawfully directed away from Jesus Christ and to humans who supposedly "represent" him as the flock's human mediators in arrogant and blasphemous defiance of John 14:6 and Matt 23:1-15.

  The majority of the leaders although "unaware" of their tragic spiritual state, are therefore deceivers, militantly ignorant, spiritually damned, wicked, evil.

  May God guide, bless and protect all of us as we reject the VISIBLE golden calf and sincerely seek him on HIS terms.

  Fernando
  ©2010
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  wobble

  The Coptic version of John 1v1 is no proof whatsoever, for two reasons.

  1) The Coptic language uses the indefinite article differently than English, so it does not prove that the Word is in any way not God.

  2) This is still a translation of a copy of many copies, we do not have an autograph copy, or anything very near it, so to argue over every jot and tittle is not only not scholarly, it is stupid.
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  coffee_black

  Fernando,

  Great post... and and a hearty Welcome!!!!!!

  Coffee
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  debator

  Hi wobble

  We can see at the outset that the Coptic translators used the Coptic definite article ( p ) in referring to the One the Word was with or “in the presence of” ( nnahrm ): p.noute , “the” god, i.e., God. And we can see that in referring to the Word, the Coptic translators employed the Coptic indefinite article ( ou ; just “ u ” following the vowel “ e ”): ne.u.noute , “was a god.”

  http://www.scribd.com/doc/25496486/Translating-Sahidic-Coptic-John-1-1

  This is really quite clear and Scholars agree.

  Your second point is irrelevent for 2 reasons. Firstly because the greek copies supports the Coptic by not using the definite article thus we have 2 sources for this particular deeply important Doctrinal point that "a god" is the correct rendition. 2 v 0 is a very solid position.

  And secondly saying the current greek scripture translations are not original copies is a fair point and something I agree with since I think we would find "Jehovah/YHWH" in the originals but this is not recognised by most as a valid point (Note how much of a hard time witnesses are given on it with only one scholars support).
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  Fernando

  Coffee,

  Thank you. Enjoyed your posts too.

  Everyone has a story to tell once the blinkers fall off, sadly usually after great upheaval and personal pain.

  What God must go through, waiting for us his children to get it, and get out (from Babylon/Egypt).

  Greetings

  Fernando
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  coffee_black

  Ah, there you are debator!

  Did you see my questions for you back on page 5? (regarding the basis on which they were appointed (wt saying it was on the basis of what they taught at the time of their being chosen) if you have read the teachings of that time, particularly the Finished Mystery, and can you explain why the symbol of the Egyptian god Ra is on the front cover..see pic of the book on page 5)

  Thanks...

  Coffee
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  coffee_black

  Oops Fernando...

  I missed your reply... I agree 100%

  Coffee