Does The Name Really Matter?

by AGuest 189 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    So much to respond to. Okay, I will give it my best shot, my Lord willing (and peace to you all!)... while I wait for the traffic to thin out...

    Thanks for the reply Shelby

    You are quite welcome, dear Loz (peace to you!)

    ...could you expand on the how his son and the holy spirit are making this name known please?

    Certainly. He simply tells anyone who asks.

    I'm not being perverse I really want to know what you believe in this regard...

    I did not think that at all of you, dear one, truly. I thought you absolutely sincere...

    Almighty God is a god of order so we know he wont be leaving it to mere chance that this name gets known specifically, if thats what he wants....?

    You are correct. The word of my Lord to me is that it is not a name that is revealed to the world. As he is recorded to have said of and to the Father, "I have made your name known... to the men YOU HAVE GIVEN ME." To those he gives the Father's name... and his own. When I asked WHY it is that way (because he said "you" would ask)... he said that it is because he is the Holy Spirit... and since the world cannot receive the Holy Spirit, and thus cannot receive him... it is not FOR them to have. It is for those who belong to HIM... those who would RECEIVE it.

    Was it for everyone here? No. The problem, however, is not HIS... but mine. Many times he would heal someone and then tell them to tell no one. Such one, however, was not only unable to retain their joy and so DID tell... they did so almost before they were out of his sight. I am such a one. That is the ONLY reason I share a great deal of what I do. I cannot help it. It is what I would want others to do for me.

    I don't think that Shelby is stating that "only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction".

    Of I didn't state... or mean... such a thing, dear PSacto (peace to you, dear one!). I only know what happens when I call on that name. And since so many had expressed anger, frustration, exasperation... even despair... that they believed they WEREN'T heard... I only suggested that they CONSIDER the name they were calling on. Works for me. I only offered what works for me. I am almost sorry that I did (almost).

    I love Outlaw.

    I love dear Outlaw, too, dear NL (the greatest of love and peace to you and your household, dear one!). And I am ashamed... truly... that he, although NOT professed to be a member of our Lord's Body... at least TRIES to understand... rather than running to take offense... rather than slapping his hands over his ears and crying out "No! I don't WANT to hear it!". If he doesn't understand something, if I am unclear... he bothers to ask me TO be clear. Sometimes publicly, sometimes privately. And if he agrees with it... cool... and if he doesn't (like others are don't even profess to believe in God, let alone be a member of the Body of Christ)... cool.

    The world wonders why "we" so-called "christians" are so divided. There are many reasons, including... but certainly not limited to: (1) not all who profess to be Israel truly ARE Israel (anyone can SAY they're "anointed" - indeed, it was prophesied that many would... even when they weren't); (2) not all who profess to be Israel follow the Fine Shepherd; indeed, most follow earthling men; and (3) ... and many... MANY.... love the "glory" of MEN... so much more than they love the "glory"... of God. As a result, they will believe... and say... whatever is POPULAR... whatever "tickles the ears"... whatever the "rest" believe and say... those who are on the broad road. They totally FORGET... it is a narrow... cramped... skinny... road that the Body walks on. And so the ONLY way they are able to navigate... is by following the LAMB... and HIS voice... and not the writings or voices... of men.

    So much of what I've seen and heard... and been given to share... I've responded to with "What, Lord? You want me to say what?? But that goes against/flies in the face of all that they know... all that they've been taught!" And so, you know what he says to me, dear NL? Do you think he says,
    "Well, child, you're right... better not tell them that, huh, 'cause they can't take it and, well, we don't want to stumble them, do we, so, yeah, you're right, let's just let them walk in darkness a little longer?"

    No, dear one... that is not what he says at all. He says, "My sheep know my voice, child. You, for YOUR part... listen to ME... and obey ME... and say as I have said to you. As for them... they are mine: leave them... to me."

    And so, I do.

    Again, I bid you all peace.

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Shelby..

    You don`t have to be ashamed of anything..You say whats on your mind and speak truthfully..

    The world could use more people like you..

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    I did not respond to your post... or numerous PMs... regarding hyssop, Michelle... because:

    (1) While hyssop may have been used as an antiseptic, that fact should have been directed to dear NVL (who took issue with circumcision due to the risks of infection). It had nothing to do with the discussion... as we were not discussing antiseptics in general, such as hyssop, but whether water was an "antiseptic." For example, dear tec posted that "peat water" was in fact used as antiseptic, but dear NVL kindly reminded her that "peat water" was not the issue, but plain water was. (Well, our Lord just told me that you wouldn't even understand what I just posted, so I need to break it down for you, a bit more: we weren't talking about ANY antiseptics... or ALL antiseptics. We were talking about WATER... as an antiseptic).

    (2) I asked you... kindly... to kindly refrain from PM'ing me... which you utterly disregarded. So, I disregarded you... and will again after this.

    Before I do, I need to make clear to YOU... that I did not have ANYTHING against you. Whether you were for me or against me. It was when you began to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit... which I kindly asked you NOT to do... that I had to distance myself from you. After than, you went from bad to worse. You would greet me "love"... in the same "breath" that you were cursing me with. So that I did NOT take offense and curse YOU... I took my leave.

    But... that wasn't good enough for you. You pursued and persisted with your "blessing" and "cursing." And so, I told you how I felt about you... that you were like a two-headed snake... meaning someone I could not TRUST. And, given your remarks and... omigawd, even humorous misstatements... I have not changed my mind. You are a blasphemer... as well as untrustworthy in your so-called "love." So, again, I take my leave of you... and leave you to my Lord.

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    MUAH! and peace to you, dear OUTLAW...

    Your servant, friend, and a slave of Christ,

    SA, who might be ashamed of a lot things, but never the Christ... or what he says to me...

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Dearest, dear PSacto... the greatest of love and peace to you. Please accept my sincere apologies and I do NOT mean to offend, but what you have stated here is incorrect, dear one. The name "Jesus" was not "okay" with the NT writers. That name didn't even exist until the early 1600s... when the King James Bible was commissioned.

    I think you need to check that, the oldest COMPLETE manuscripts are dated from the 4th century ( Codex sinaticus and vaticanus), they are in greek and the surving copies do have the greek Ieosus.

    Dear ones, the original writings of the Greek Septuagint do not exist. We only have copies... of copies... of copies. And it was the work of the copyists... the "scribes"... that was condemned... BY Christ... when he also condemned the works... of the Pharisees.

    Yes, quite true, but he wasn't JUST referring to what they wrote incorrectly, but what they wrote and attributed to God when it was of THEIR doing and Jeremiah said as much even before Jesus, so it wasn't a "new thing" ( the scribes doing crap and being reamed for it).

    We have to take what is written and be critical and open to the possibilities of "tampering", yes, but we also have to realize that there is still value in what was written.

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    dear AGuest...

    you are mistaken. I did not bless and curse you.

    I said quite clearly that I love Shelby but I don't like the spirit(your guest) that clings to you and drags you down to the pit.

    love michelle

  • watersprout
    watersprout
    I don't like the spirit(your guest) that clings to you and drags you down to the pit.

    WOAH! You seriously need to back off! That ''spirit'' you are talking about is Christ...

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    dear watersprout...

    do you seriously think that I have not prayed about this?...I would not say such a thing if I didn't believe it to be true and I don't say it to be unkind to Shelby. on the contrary...I have voiced my concern to Shelby about this matter.

    love michelle

    1 Enoch 15:8-16:1: "But now the giants who were begotten by the spirits and flesh -- they will call them evil spirits upon the earth, for their dwelling will be upon the earth. The spirits that have gone forth from the body of their flesh are evil spirits, for from humans they came into being, and from the holy Watchers was the origin of their creation. Evil spirits they will be upon the earth, and evil spirits they will be called. The spirits of heaven, heaven is their abode, but the spirits begotten in the earth, earth is their abode. And the spirits of the giants lead astray, do violence, make desolate, and attack and wrestle and hurl upon the earth and cause illnesses. They eat nothing but abstain from food and are thirsty and smite. These spirits will rise up against the sons of men and against the women, for they have come forth from them. From the day of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the soul of whose flesh the spirits are proceeding, they are making desolate without incurring judgment. Thus they will make desolate until the day of the consummation of the great judgment".

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    Not wishing to break up a great cat fight - but - isn't the Christian faith based on the idea that you follow Christ.

    Why does his name have to start with a 'J'? Why not just call him Christ, for Christs sake!

  • watersprout
    watersprout

    Gladiator i do call Him Christ.

    Don't you dear Watersprout me...You have blasphemed against my Lord and that has turned my stomach. Shelby has never said anything like that to you. I haven't witnessed the ''Love'' you profess to have.

    do you seriously think that I have not prayed about this?...

    I do not doubt you, it just seems odd that you would say something soo blasphemous against one of Christs brothers. I take it that you are of the body of Christ??

    love michelle

    Bleugh!

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