by AGuest 189 Replies latest jw friends
Thanks for the reply Shelby ...could you expand on the how his son and the holy spirit are making this name known please? I'm not being perverse I really want to know what you believe in this regard....Almighty God is a god of order so we know he wont be leaving it to mere chance that this name gets known specifically, if thats what he wants....?
Loz x
Yes, for some, it really REALLY does and for THOSE, yes, it matters that they use what they believe to be the right one.
Certainly - I agree with you here.
However the original issue that has been presented in this thread is that only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction. Even if the phonetics are correct, such a view presents a darkened concept of the Name and what it represents in as much as it limits the power of the Holy One and more importantly the immense love that the Name represents.
To put it plainly Christ is not turning away from you until you say his name in correct, period-perfect, ancient Hebrew nor is your salvation being judged on that basis. Trust in his in love and respond in faith to that. I pray that no one will be mislead otherwise.
I don't think that Shelby is stating that "only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction".
My name is Paul in English, Paulo in my native Portugese, Pablo in Spanish and it is also Pavel, and:
Albanian: Pali
Arabic: ???? (Buulus, in Arabic Bible), ??? (Bol, as transcription of French / English name Paul)
Armenian: ????? (Pogos/Bogos)
Belarusian: ???e? (Pawel), ?????? (Pauluk), ??????? (Paulus)
Bosnian: Pavle
Bulgarian: ????? (Pavel)
Catalan: Pau, Pol
Chinese: ??, ?? (Baoluó)
Cornish: Pawl
Croatian: Pavao
Czech: Pavel
Danish: Poul, Povl
Dutch: Paul, Paulus
Estonian: Paul, Paavel, Paavo
Faroese: Páll
Filipino: Pablo
Finnish: Paavali, Paavo, Pauli
French: Paul, Pol
Frisian: Pouw, Powles, Paulus
Galician: Paulo
Georgian: ????
German: Paul,Pauluga
Greek: Πα?λος (Pávlos)
Hawaiian: Paulo
Hebrew: Shaul
Hungarian: Pál
Icelandic: Páll
Irish: Pól, Pódhl
Italian: Paolo
Japanese: ??? (Poru)
Korean: ? (Pol) / ?? (Baul - archaic translation; only used in bible context)
Latin: Paulus
Latvian: Pauls, Pavils
Lithuanian: Paulius, Povilas
Malayalam: Paulose
Macedonian: ????? (Pavle)
Maltese: Pawl, Bawlu
Manx: Payl
Mongolian: ????? (Pavel)
Norwegian: Paul, Pål
Polish: Pawel
Portuguese: Paulo
Romanian: Paul, Pavel
Russian: ????? (Pável)
Scottish Gaelic: Pòl
Serbian: ????? (Pavle)
Slovak: Pavol
Slovene: Pavel
Spanish: Pablo or Paulo
Swedish: Paul, Pål
Tamil: ?????
Thai: ??? (Paul), ?? (Por)
Luganda: Paolo
Ukrainian: ??? (Pol), ????? (Pavló)
Vietnamese: Phao-lô
Welsh: Pawl
There are MANY Paul's, all over the whole word, but there is only one ME, regardless of how my name is pronounce, spelled, written and translated.
I know some people that are adamant that their names be "their names" ( I know 1 Pavle and 1 Piotr for example).
Like I said, for some it matters a great deal, for others, not so much.
For the writers of the NT, it seems that Jesus was "ok" with them, even the writers of the Septuagint tranlated Joshua to "Iesous" and the Septuaint was done in about 280 BC
dear PSacramento...
you said: "I don't think that Shelby is stating that "only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction"."...
no AGuest has gone much farther that that. She has insinuated that most if not all people that believe the bible to be the word of God are following men...as if the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with it being compiled and transmitted down to the day for our benefit. AGuest has also insinuated that all those that believe the doctrine of the trinity are again only following the "formula" of men...as if the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with ones being CONVINCED of this. AGuest has insinuated that God had nothing do do with the catholic church because of the violence that was displayed ...as if God had NEVER used people like that in the commission of His purpose.
AGuest has insinuated that anyone that doesn't use the name that she uses is somehow denying THEIR Lord His rightful name...AGuest is backing people into a corner as far as I can tell. If one is to agree to the name she names then you have to agree with EVERYTHING she says...why...because it isn't really the name that matters it is what that name she names represents too.
...in bowing to the name that she names I personally would have to consede that I can't TRUST the Lord by any name!...the ONE who showed me the Truth, the ONE who comforts me, the ONE who I have put my faith in and have trusted to get me through this LIFE...and to have LIFE in the kingdom is a complete sham...everything I DO in that ONE's service...every thought, all my thanksgiving, all my blessing...everything has been built on sand...because I don't believe AGuest...EVERY evangelist that taught anyone "in the name of Jesus" or did ANYTHING "in the name of Jesus" did so "in the name of" a false "revelation" from the lips of men...think about that while you are deciding whether everything you believe you have learned from the Holy Spirit should be replaced by what comes from the lips of AGuest...
...I'll share a recent personal exchange that AGuest and I have had. while she was in the heat of the battle on a certain thread she was arguing back and forth with NVL...I looked in at that point, forgoing the earlier pages...while I was reading; at once I "heard" the word hyssop and posted it with some other relevent information. she disregarded a "word" that I had heard...she then asked me for what reason I had posted about hyssop and then continued on with her arguement before getting an answer from me. I sent her a pm with my reason for posting the word hyssop and that I got that "word" in response to my..."inquiry" of the Lord for direction. You see when I was reading I just kept asking why does she keep argueing this point...back and forth, back and forth...I could not see where this would be a "good work" that was required of anyone in the service of the Lord...I then posted that "word". If AGuest would have taken that "word" and the extra information provided and accepted it as valid that would have been the end of THAT arguement...but she would not...even after speaking to her personally she continued on with her arguement for a few more pages demonstrating that as far as she is concerned "blessed are the peacemakers" is a concept far removed from her and her lord regardless of how many times she says "peace".
I'm inclined to cite a verse in the bible that says, he who is not against us is for us...I've thought of this verse more than a couple of times in listening to AGuest...and when lifting biblical texts, words, concepts and "religious" posturing is used to deconstruct someones faith in God then "he" is not for us...but against us. AGuest throws any love and prayers we have for her on the ground and tramples them as so much filth and lies...if we don't agree with her. Strangely...as long as she wasn't aware of the fact that I disagreed with her...her spirit bared witness to the fact that I loved her. Now that she knows that I disagree with her I am a spirit that she has commanded to get behind her!...
anyway...beware...lest she take the "peace" of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, away only to replace it with doubt and confusion of mind and spirit...the babylon of a lost soul.
love michelle
However the original issue that has been presented in this thread is that only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA
can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction.
Even if the phonetics are correct, such a view presents a darkened concept of the Name and what it represents in as much as it
limits the power of the Holy One and more importantly the immense love that the Name represents.
To put it plainly Christ is not turning away from you until you say his name in correct, period-perfect, ancient Hebrew
nor is your salvation being judged on that basis. Trust in his in love and respond in faith to that. I pray that no one will be mislead otherwise.....DonutHole
Every once in a While..
Shelbys Message gets lost in a Wordy post..
And..
I have to explain things..This is another one of those times..
Why wouldn`t JAHESHUA know some people are calling him Jesus?
He does know this, dear one.
Why would`nt he Reply if he Could?..
He DOES, dear one. I never said that HE didn't respond. I said that there are those who claim that they call... and cry out... yet THEY do not HEAR.
So..According to Shelby..
Jaheshua does respond to you,if you use the word Jesus..
Some of you just are`nt "Listening"..
LOL!!..
Although it`s not necessary to use the name Jaheshau,to get his Attention..(The name Jesus will do in a Pinch)..
Apparently Jaheshua would Appreciate it if you did..
....................... 
...OUTLAW
I love Outlaw.
Outlaw, the greatest respect to you for sticking by your friend. Look at these excerpts from the initial post (or go back and read it all if you want).
You can see that while you might be technically sort of right in what you are saying, AGuest is slickly using Watchtower-style clarifiers to suggest that calling on "Jesus" is the problem and calling on Jaheshua Mischajah will get you an answer.
If so, I would like to ask you to consider, if you would be so kind... that perhaps the NAME you've been calling UPON... is another "thing" standing between you and hearing his voice.
In that same light, I offer to you that while MANY call upon the name "Jesus"... most profess to hear nothing; however, ALL who call upon the name "JAH e SHUA"... profess to hearing that One speak... at some time or another.
There is no "Jesus," dear ones... contrary to what the English Bibles may state. There is, however, the Holy One of Israel, who is the Holy Spirit... JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel... JAH... of Armies.
She's not inspired, she just relates things for us directly from god?
However the original issue that has been presented in this thread is that only by pronouncing Christ's name as JAHESHUA can one expect to have a hearing from Heaven and even be saved from the broad road of destruction.
You have misread my post... and as a result certainly my intent, dear DH (peace to you!). I understand the first, but not the second. Can you explain, please?
For the writers of the NT, it seems that Jesus was "ok" with them, even the writers of the Septuagint tranlated Joshua to "Iesous" and the Septuaint was done in about 280 BC
Dearest, dear PSacto... the greatest of love and peace to you. Please accept my sincere apologies and I do NOT mean to offend, but what you have stated here is incorrect, dear one. The name "Jesus" was not "okay" with the NT writers. That name didn't even exist until the early 1600s... when the King James Bible was commissioned.
Come ON, dear ones (and please note... I am not yelling below... nor taking issues with men): if you won't at least listen to the Holy Spirit... at least... THINK! The NT was written in Hebrew/Aramaic... and Greek. "Jesus"... is an ENGLISH word - ENGLISH... didn't EXIST at the time of the writing of the NT. Even more... the language at the time of the canonization... was... LATIN. The language... of the ROMANS (you know, the Jews/Christians BEST friends during the 1st century?). Thus... the Latin Vulgate. Thus... "HE ZEUS".
But wait... there is more. The name "Ieosus" did NOT appear in the Septuagint. The Greek transliteration for JAHESHUA (or Yahsua... Yeshua... even, Joshua, but not really, because that's English!)... which is NOT "Ieosus"... but... gamma sigma eta upsilon sigma... appeared there. "Ieosus" is the result of the LATER Greek transliterations... such as what is found in the Greek NT (which contains absolutely NO traces of the Hebrew/Aramaic, except for "Eli, Eli, lama sabacthani"... "Golgotha"... "Har-Meggedon"... and minute things like these!).
Dear ones, the original writings of the Greek Septuagint do not exist. We only have copies... of copies... of copies. And it was the work of the copyists... the "scribes"... that was condemned... BY Christ... when he also condemned the works... of the Pharisees.
BUT... I truly do not get why you are arguing over this - . Why do you not just simply ASK???????????????????????? So that you will KNOW whether what I am sharing on this matter is true... or NOT. But you won't even ask. Where is your faith... while you are condemning ME... in HIS voice? You argue and debate and defend... the Bible. And what is written in... the Bible. Where... I simply HAVE to ask... is your defense of HIM... and what HE says????
You "condemn" me for telling you... TRUTHFULLY... what I have heard. You defend YOUR "blind" faith... faith in the pages of a book that you state was written by God... compiled by God... sanctioned by God... all of which is a lie... while condemning others (for example, the WTBTS) for THEIR faith... and doing the exact same thing! How can that BE??
And I am not yelling... not at all... but simply trying to EMPHASIZE, so that perhaps... by means of MY... exuberance... MY excitement... you might just TRY to hear HIM... so as to get the SENSE of these things! Or failing that... at least THINK.
Come on, dear ones: you CAN do this... IF you truly ARE the BODY OF CHRIST. If ANYONE can do it... YOU can. If you truly are who you say you are. Just STOP leaning upon your OWN understanding... and FOLLOW THE LAMB.
I bid you all peace. Truly.
YOUR servant... as I am servant to all those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with...
SA
Hey OTWO..
Ya Bud..I see that..
I think she`s just trying to clear the way,for people who share her beliefs..
"If Jesus didn`t work for you try Jaheshua..He might be able to hear you better"..
LOL!!..
Your Athiest..I`m Agnostic..
There are always going to be people who believe different than you or me..
Life is short my Friend..
If I can help people find a Middle Ground,so they can get along better,I`ll do it..
Right now the Christians are Argueing..LOLOLOL!!!!!!!..
............................ ...OUTLAW
