Should/Can I turn them in?

by AwSnap 105 Replies latest jw friends

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    WIC is a program for mothers and children. It's a food program. Mothers qualify if they are pregnant and children qualify if they are age 5 and under. The lady in the basement probably knows about it since it's a federal program just like food stamps and is also based on income. You don't have to be on food stamps to get it.

    I'm glad you're talking it out here AwSnap instead of doing anything rash.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Uhm, I'm only on page one...

    And I like AwSnap. I think she's good people...

    BUT...!!

    There's a huge difference between being a direct witness to the situation/illegality, and reporting based on second-hand information.

    If all she has is second-hand info, then I'm afraid she won't be able to get anyone [authority figures] to pay attention to her concerns...

    Unless it was the IRS... They tend to go after people on FIFTH-hand information!!!

    Zid

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    By the way, turning someone in to the authorities isn't "judging" because judgment is STILL LEFT TO THE AUTHORITIES. It is merely bringing the situation to the attention of those authorities because they can't see everything at once. It is a duty of a good citizen to report suspects and then let the system determine guilt or innocence.

    No, the system isn't perfect, but if you don't trust the system enough to even report crime, then perhaps the Borg is right about "Satan's world."

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Every dollar spent in Food Stamps generates something like 1.50 in economic activity.

    In that case, the government should give everyone on the planet foodstamps, and we could all get rich. RICH!

    BTS

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    You can't get rich off of foodstamps. Not even if you go black market.

    Speaking of which, just read an article related to this topic:

    More working families getting government food aid

    By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer Fri Oct 22, 5:28 am ET

    HONOLULU – Lillie Gonzales does whatever it takes to provide for three ravenous sons who live under her roof. She grows her own vegetables at home on Kauai, runs her own small business and like a record 42 million other Americans, she relies on food stamps.

    Gonzales and her husband consistently qualify for food stamps now that Hawaii and other states are quietly expanding eligibility and offering the benefit to more working, moderate income families.

    Data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture reviewed by The Associated Press shows that 32 states have adopted rules making it easier to qualify for food stamps since 2007. In all, 38 states have loosened eligibility standards.

    Hawaii has gone farther than most, allowing a family like Gonzales' to earn up to $59,328 and still get food stamps.

    Prior to an Oct. 1 increase, the income eligibility limit for a Hawaii family of five was $38,568 a year.

    "If I didn't have food stamps, I would be buying white rice and Spam every day," said Gonzales, whose Island Angels business makes Hawaiian-style fabric angel ornaments, quilts, aprons and purses.

    Eligibility for food stamps varies from state to state, with the 11 most generous states allowing families to apply if their gross income is less than double the federal poverty line of $22,050 for a family of four on the U.S. mainland. The threshold is higher in Alaska and Hawaii.

    With more than 1 in 8 Americans now on food stamps, participation in the program has jumped about 70 percent from 26 million in May 2007, while the nation's unemployment rate rose from 4.3 percent to 9.2 percent through September of this year.

    "We've seen a huge increase in participation due to the economic downturn," said Jean Daniel, a spokeswoman for the USDA's Food and Nutrition Service. "That's the way this program was designed."

    [Related: New York City hopes to ban soda from food stamp purchases]

    In addition to helping alleviate economic pressures, many states embrace the popularity of food stamps because their cost — $50 billion last year — is paid entirely by the federal government. States are only responsible for paying half of their programs' administrative costs.

    Food stamps have been blasted by some Republicans in this midterm election season as just another federal entitlement program, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich framing the vote as a choice between "the party of food stamps" and Republican policies that create jobs.

    Participants in the food stamp program, technically called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, receive a per person average of $133 per month to buy staples including milk, bread and vegetables.

    Shortly after Hawaii announced it was raising its eligibility limits starting this month, three carloads of 10 seniors drove to the Kauai Independent Food Bank to ask if they qualified. Nine of them did, said Judy Lenthall, executive director for the food bank, which helps people apply for food stamps.

    "We saw an immediate and overwhelmingly wonderful response," Lenthall said. "It surprised us how fast it's spreading."

    States that have relaxed food stamp eligibility did so by moving to a system where applicants could qualify based on their income, and their other assets such as real estate, vehicles and savings accounts could be ignored.

    Basing food stamps on income alone allows the newly unemployed and the elderly to seek government food aid without having to first sell their property or exhaust every dollar they've earned, said Sue McGinn, director of the food stamp program in Colorado, which will expand eligibility beginning in March.

    "They won't have to wipe out their savings to apply for benefits," McGinn said.

    Many of these states also raised income limits, although applicants still have to show they're essentially living at the poverty line after accounting for allowable deductions, including elder medical expenses and child support.

    "It helps moderate and low-income people who are struggling," said Stacy Dean of the Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "They're doing everything we want: they're working, paying all their bills, taking care of their kids, and they still don't have enough money at the end of the month to put food on the table."

    Since 2000, the only states that haven't enacted the lower food stamp eligibility requirements are Alaska, Arkansas, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming.

    In Hawaii, where everything from milk to gasoline is typically the highest in the nation, the changes are welcomed by Gonzales and others.

    "As long as my kids have good food, that's all I care about," Gonzales said. "It makes a tremendous difference."

    ___

    Online:

    Food and Nutrition Service: http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101022/ap_on_bi_ge/us_food_stamps

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    like I said: I have no problem unfortunate people getting food/shelter/clothing from tax dollars..........

    but, I do have a problem with some of the scammers using "the system" and living on easy street driving an escalade

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    I'm with waterbottle's first post. If they have to rely on Satan's worldly government to eat, let them... and then remind them. One of the local pioneers is recognized as a fake for talking about "sacrifices". Please, their doorknocking is subsidized by US government checks because Jehovah doesn't have the balls to help his own people. It would be interesting to watch these dubs using foodstamps at the supermarket and say, "aw... snap. Now that's just a shame that you can't buy your own food."

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    AwSnap, have these freeloading JW hypocrites ever read their NWT?

    2 Thessalonians 3:10

    For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

    1 Timothy 5:8

    If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    2 Thessalonians 2:6-9

    As apostles of Christ we could have been a burden to you, but we were gentle among you, like a mother caring for her little children. We loved you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well, because you had become so dear to us. Surely you remember, brothers, our toil and hardship; we worked night and day in order not to be a burden to anyone while we preached the gospel of God to you.

    BTS

  • believingxjw
    believingxjw

    AwSnap,

    You were outed, perhaps you should reconsider this whole thing. Just a thought. Sometimes what goes around comes around.

  • AwSnap
    AwSnap

    Yep, I've reconsidered and will probably not turn them in. I was outed, yet I'm not doing anything wrong. Oh the irony, eh?

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