No one is going to Heaven (and my introduction to the forum) (page 10)

notverylikely

Whether you are atheist or not or Christian or not, you just can't say that the Bible teaches that NO ONE goes to heaven. It's just a little ridiculous.

Agreed.

Ding

Notverylikely,

You said to Dan's claim that Jesus is God, "it's also easy to cherry pick scripture and ignore those where Jesus clearly says he is NOT the father."

You don't have to accept the Trinity doctrine, but just to be clear, trinitarians don't claim that Jesus is the father.

I won't go into it further here since the thread is about heaven, not the trinity, but just wanted to clear up possible misunderstanding.

wasblind

Your right Tammy,

his thinkin' is outside the box, done slid off the table, and onto the floor

wasblind

Anyway, welcome to a forum where you are free to believe in anything you want

VampireDCLXV

his thinkin' is outside the box, done slid off the table, and onto the floor

LOL @ wasblind!

V665

Hadit

Welcome Sobrino1! I don't know if we go to heaven or stay on earth or go anywhere after we are gone from here. I just know I'm here right now - I think . . .

Hadit

BurnTheShips

No one is going to Heaven (and my introduction to the forum)

Sobrinito, when I meet you in heaven, I will give you un abrazo.

BTS

Curtains

Hi sobrino, I like your reasoning. However I have to disagree with you on the phrase "Kingdom of the heavens" and what it means. Stricktly speaking it means Heaven's kingdom.

I agree with Leo that the new testament was written during a time of flux and may different ideas were in currency at the time. To me Heaven's kingdom signifies a different place to look forward to (different to the chaotic frightening situation ensuing at the time). I agree that this heavenly place could be on earth or in heaven though.

Chalam

Welcome dysfunction!

Frankly I do not want to go to heaven because there is no food, sex, or sleep.

Who said there is no food or sleep?

Revelation 19:9 (New International Version)

9 Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God."

Luke 14:15 (New International Version)

15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, "Blessed is the man who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God."

Hebrews 4:10 (New International Version)

10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.

Jesus has the physical resurrection body already (being the firstborn of many brothers) and He clearly eats.

Luke 24:39-42 (English Standard Version)

39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, [ a ]

Footnotes:

Luke 24:42 Some manuscripts add and some honeycomb

John 21:15 (English Standard Version)

Jesus and Peter

15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." Unfortunately, it is those who go the the second death who will never have any rest

Psalm 95:11 (New International Version)

11 So I declared on oath in my anger,
"They shall never enter my rest."

Matthew 25:46 (New International Version)

46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Jude 1:7 (New International Version)

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Revelation 14:11 (New International Version)

11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."

Revelation 20:10 (New International Version)

10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Blessings,

Stephen

designs

Of course its all Literal I'd like my house to be solid emerald, kind of like in the Wizard of OZ, or maybe the 7th chamber described in the Jewish Midrashim........then we can have a little tea and smoke some herb with my personally assigned sixty angels and Mosheh Rabbenu (Moses) and discuss why there are 8 myrtle boughs in the Eternal Hall. "Drink your wine (I'll be able to drink booze again) which has been preserved from the sixth day of Creation" says my Talmudic learned angel.