"Are you In the Truth?"

by Nickolas 202 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    I have come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible does not exist.

    I have come to know, dear Nickolas (again, peace to you!) that while the God of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, the Apostles, and my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who is His Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, does indeed exist... a great deal of what is written about Him in the Bible is false. I know that because I have come to know Christ... who is the image of that God. When I look at him, listen to him, hear him, see him... I see nothing of the exacting, vindictive, easily angered "god" portrayed by the "false stylus" of the scribes. And so, I do not wonder that my Lord said to the scribes as he did to the Pharisees: "Woe, to you... hypocrites!"

    However, and this is perhaps the major difference between me and you, I will change my mind if presented with sufficiently convincing evidence, the same kind of evidence reported in the Bible to convince skeptical others.

    I don't think we're different at all in this! Indeed, it was such convincing evidence that changed MY mind... that led me to know that in order to know and hear God, I had to know and hear His Son. It was that Son speaking to me that changed my mind... and my heart!

    Show me a resurrection, preferably of someone I loved in life, someone I can talk to and laugh with and hold and love again, and I will fall down on my knees and I will weep with overwhelming joy and I will believe. That's all I need.

    And you will be shown such, for it will occur. I just have to wonder: do you really want to waste all that time between now and then? Because if you had faith... the size of a mustard seed... you could possess such a gift yourself. What stops you from so resurrecting a loved one? Your lack of faith. That is the ONLY thing that stands between you and such a gift, dear one.

    What do you need to change your mind?

    From what, to what? From believing in God and Christ to NOT believing in them? I really don't know. Maybe for one of them to tell me to stop believing? But even then, I can't say that that would do it. I honestly cannot say, dear Nickolas. Can I fathom it? Yes, of course. The same way that I can fathom that this Board could possible shut down (hopefully, not soon). But I hope that it won't. And so I hope that what is occurring with me will never stop. It is not a burden, it is not tiresome, or afflicting to my flesh.

    Quite the opposite, it is JOYFUL... and PEACEFUL... and helps me learn "righteousness" tremendously. I have learned not to judge. I have learned not to go reviling when being reviled. I have learned not to respond to stoopid inquiries by those with whom I have absolutely NO sharing (but just can't seem to get that message). I have learned patience, long-suffering, self-control. I have learned love. Even for those who do not love me. And I am learning all of these things even more. Most of all... I have increased in faith.

    Tell me, please... where is the "con" in all of this? I have a life, a good job, an education, a home, a husband who loves me, children who love, two puppies who adore me (!), family and friends who love me... and I get to share the truth about God and Christ. Where, pray tell me, is the CON? I see none.

    By the way, it is Nickolas, with a k.

    My apologies! I will try to remember that and, again, peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    You feel Him inside you, don't you, PSacramento? I understand that. But He is less of a part of you than your anscestors, whose blood flows through your veins and whose flesh covers your bones. You know Him, but not them. You just know. That's all. You just know. And you believe that this is not learned behaviour but a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Ok. It doesn't compute with me, but I am completely ok that it is what is important to you.

    It wasn't always the case Bro, trust me. The issues I had with God and Jesus were profound and intense, all the arguments I have heard here I have had them and more so, with anger !

    I can tell you, at least from my part, accepting Christ was not a learned thing.

    We have gone off topic rather badly, but I suppose that was inevitable. I was seeking to debunk the WT proposition of The Truth by revealing the flaws within a couple of small points and have unleashed a flood of negative emotion instead.

    No negativity on my part, I love this discussions with you and others :)

    I love when you challenge my beliefs and if in explaning them I can help you understand where I am coming from ( notice I did't say agree with), then I am a happy camper.

    I think, however, I can safely say that PSacramento, Tammy, Shelby and Vander and others who so graciously posted on this thread are on the same page in one key respect, and that is we do not buy into the Watchtower version of The Truth.

    No, the WT does not have the truth when it comes to Christ and I rarely say anything like that at all.

    Just one thing, even us believers do NOT always agree and that is OK, Paul, Peter, John, James and countless others over the ages didn't always agree on everythign either and guess what?

    That's ok.

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    And you will be shown such, for it will occur.

    The empty promise of Christianity, from my perspective, which will bear fruit only if I believe, but since I do not believe will not happen. A devine Catch-22.

    Tell me, please... where is the "con" in all of this? I have a life, a good job, an education, a home, a husband who loves me, children who love, two puppies who adore me (!), family and friends who love me... and I get to share the truth about God and Christ. Where, pray tell me, is the CON? I see none.

    On this you are absolutely right, Shelby. Happiness and the pursuit of happiness are all that is important. Nothing else really matters. However, there are many, many happy people in the world who do not believe as you do, so all the happy people in the world cannot be embracing the same beliefs. What makes you happy is a good thing, but it is not necessarily true.

    Signing off for now. Thanks for the intelligent conversation, all.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    Just curious, Shelly. Has anyone ever accused you of being a bit of a nut?

    Of course, Nick. Many here. Many times.

    Would you go away if I sent you some cash?

    Well, I dunno. Send some and let's see.

    we do not buy into the Watchtower version of The Truth

    Absolutely.

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    "Shelly"

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    "Shelly"

    I thought you'd catch that.

    Nickolas

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    <<What makes you happy is a good thing, but it is not necessarily true.>>

    Back at ya Nick. ;^) And yes, happiness depend on what happens.

    But the joy of the Lord, knowing Him, surpasses that by miles, independant of gain or loss. You may bask in spiritual emptiness and emancipated thinking; I will bask in the love and mercy of the One whose brow graced a crown of thorns. God forbid that I should glory in anything less.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dear Nick (again, peace to you and notice the "k" - LOLOL!)... I am truly sorry if it appeared that "we" were ganging up on you. As one who has been on the other end of that stick, I can tell you that such was not my intention at all, and I believe I can say the same of dear PSacto, Tammy, and Vanderhoven7. To that end, I have said quite a bit and will bow out entirely, if you wish. Because our task is not the bully anyone into believing anything, but simply to bear witness to the truth, especially as such regards the Christ. We can get a bit zealous and passionate, as we did here, which may come off, to some, as overbearing. If that is the case, I sincerely apologize, for that is not what was intended at all.

    Please, then... do not leave the thread on my/our account. State your position and your beliefs. They are yours, you should feel free to have them, and no one can change them but you. No one should want to... unless YOU want to. I will remain quiet if that's what you need.

    Dearest Tammy... the greatest of love and peace to you! My apologies, Tams, if my posts "overshadowed" - I did not mean for that to occur. I just jumped in... with my usual verbose self. You are always so... well, concise, and you know I wish I could be as well. Unfortunately, that is not my "gift" as I demonstrate over and over - . I am always grateful, however, for your (and dear PSacto and Vanderhoven's - peace to you, both!) love of and faith in our Lord. What encouragement!

    Again, peace to you all!

    Your servant, sister, and, where applicable, fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    LOL!!@ Shelby & Nickolas!!..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Just passing through on my way to the workshop.

    And yes, happiness depend on what happens.

    I must disagree. Happiness is a state of mind, which depends on what is happening, not what will happen.

    Please, then... do not leave the thread on my/our account.

    I am leaving the thread, for now, because I have to get some work done, Shelby. I'll be baack, to quote your intrepid Governor. And my offer to send you money if you'd go away was in the context of you not demanding money for the priviledge of you sharing your opinion with us. A joke, m'dear.

    You into the shrooms again, Outlaw?

    Now, I really must get some work done.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Oh..did I say "will"? ;^)

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