by JeffT 343 Replies latest members politics
At a university I know, someone got the idea that the cleaning staff need to be unionized. They are mostly all immigrants who know nothing of hygiene standards. So, now they are unionized and getting paid a higher wage, but still the hygiene standards are not met. Not sure how they got hired in the first place, since they do not know how to clean. Does anyone know what kind of qualifications a cleaner needs?
On a side note, I wonder if they are jws.
satinka
Satinka, if that idea catches on, the WT is just f**cked
a separate but communal living area
An important part of the plan
Unions don't exist to "contribute to productivity". They exist to protect the worker. To allow workers to join together and thus wield some power over their own lives. We all benefit from workers making a living wage.
If you're basing salary on "livable wage" and not contribution to the company, the guy with more kids needs more money and, if I take your words at face value, he should get more.
But the guy who just can show up for work, (teachers in many cases)..............just sayin'
The teachers union is a farce. Where else could I work six hours a day and make a minimum of $35,000 a year AND have 95% of my family health insurance paid?
Before you all jump on me, my kids used to come home telling me about the disney movie they watched at school.
The teachers union is a farce. Where else could I work six hours a day and make a minimum of $35,000 a year AND have 95% of my family health insurance paid?
Dinah, I love ya girl. Just a reminder that teachers also grade papers at home. They do other paper work at home. They get to work an hour before that "6 hour" shift starts and they leave an hour after it ends. Julian's jr. high begans at 7 AM for zero hour students. 8 for regular students. It goes until 3. That addes up to 7 hours. Teachers don't get an hour for lunch and they spend one hour planning and talking with parents.
Teachers go to college and get at least a bachelor's degree in education. $35,000 for a degreed person is low. Andy's sister edits film for comcast with a bachelor's degree and she makes at times $40 an hour. She gets most of her insurance paid, too. She gets 6 weeks off per year.
Kids don't watch Disney movies everyday. Teachers generally do planning and paperwork while kids watch movies.
Unfortunately, the american education system is broken. Trying to rate teachers and compensate them within a broken system is unlikely to produce the desired results. The american school system is designed around the "factory model". Our kids are not widgets...
Take a peek at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
This animate was adapted from a talk given at the RSA by Sir Ken Robinson, world-renowned education and creativity expert and recipient of the RSA's Benjamin Franklin award.
The teachers union is a farce. Where else could I work six hours a day and make a minimum of $35,000 a year AND have 95% of my family health insurance paid?
Teachers don't work six hours a day. They are not babysitters. They have to actually create lesson plans, gather the items needed for the lesson, give the lesson, and grade the lesson. Then those grades must be entered into at least one, sometimes two grade books. Based on the results of the lesson, the teacher must plan the next lesson...and so on. Elementary teachers must do that for all of the multiple subjects they teach each day. Secondary teachers must do that for hundreds of students. It takes much more than 8 hours a day to do all that. Much more. Just so you know.
If you're basing salary on "livable wage" and not contribution to the company, the guy with more kids needs more money and, if I take your words at face value, he should get more
Living wage is a term used to describe the minimum hourly wage necessary for an individual to meet basic needs, including shelter (housing) and other incidentals such as clothing and nutrition, for an extended period of time or a lifetime. In developed countries such as the United Kingdom or Switzerland, this standard generally means that a person working forty hours a week, with no additional income, should be able to afford a specified quality or quantity of housing, food, utilities, transport, health care, and recreation.
This concept differs from the minimum wage in that the latter is set by law and may fail to meet the requirements of a living wage. It differs somewhat from basic needs in that the basic needs model usually measures a minimum level of consumption, without regard for the source of the income. A related concept is that of a family wage – one sufficient to not only live on oneself, but also to raise a family, though these notions may be conflated.
Here is average salary by state. Don't forget that to become a teacher at all you must have bachelors degree plus teaching credentials. That is no small price. These people make less on average than thier counterparts in the private sector. How are we supposed to attract good teachers to one of the most important jobs of all?
| State | Starting Salary | Average Salary | 10-year increase | Salary Comfort Index |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alabama | $31,368 | $40,347 | 28.9% | 13 |
| Alaska | $38,657 | $53,553 | 7.9% | 30 |
| Arizona | $30,404 | $44,672 | 37.5% | 35 |
| Arkansas | $28,784 | $42,768 | 44.8% | 11 |
| California | $35,760 | $59,825 | 41.6% | 44 |
| Colorado | $35,086 | $44,439 | 25.7% | 12 |
| Connecticut | $39,259 | $59,304 | 18.0% | 22 |
| Delaware | $35,854 | $54,264 | 33.9% | 2 |
| Florida | $33,427 | $43,302 | 29.9% | 26 |
| Georgia | $34,442 | $48,300 | 42.1% | 3 |
| Hawaii | $35,816 | $49,292 | 37.7% | 50 |
| Idaho | $27,500 | $41,150 | 33.2% | 33 |
| Illinois | $37,500 | $58,686 | 43.4% | 1 |
| Indiana | $30,844 | $47,255 | 25.4% | 8 |
| Iowa | $27,284 | $41,083 | 26.9% | 31 |
| Kansas | $27,840 | $41,467 | 28.1% | 21 |
| Kentucky | $30,619 | $42,592 | 28.8% | 15 |
| Louisiana | $31,298 | $40,029 | 45.4% | 20 |
| Maine | $26,643 | $40,737 | 23.9% | 47 |
| Maryland | $37,125 | $54,333 | 32.0% | 37 |
| Massachusetts | $35,421 | $56,369 | 35.0% | 34 |
| Michigan | $35,557 | $54,739 | 16.9% | 4 |
| Minnesota | $31,532 | $48,489 | 31.3% | 10 |
| Mississippi | $28,200 | $40,576 | 46.5% | 19 |
| Missouri | $29,281 | $40,462 | 25.2% | 16 |
| Montana | $25,318 | $39,832 | 35.6% | 46 |
| Nebraska | $29,303 | $40,382 | 28.2% | 17 |
| Nevada | $27,957 | $44,426 | 22.8% | 45 |
| New Hampshire | $28,279 | $45,263 | 26.5% | 48 |
| New Jersey | $38,408 | $58,156 | 19.3% | 36 |
| New Mexico | $33,730 | $41,637 | 43.2% | 29 |
| New York | $37,321 | $57,354 | 19.2% | 38 |
| North Carolina | $27,944 | $43,922 | 44.4% | 23 |
| North Dakota | $24,872 | $37,764 | 40.0% | 43 |
| Ohio | $33,671 | $50,314 | 33.0% | 6 |
| Oklahoma | $29,174 | $38,772 | 36.5% | 18 |
| Oregon | $33,699 | $50,044 | 26.0% | 14 |
| Pennsylvania | $34,976 | $54,027 | 17.2% | 5 |
| Rhode Island | $33,815 | $54,730 | 31.0% | 42 |
| South Carolina | $28,568 | $43,011 | 36.0% | 24 |
| South Dakota | $26,111 | $34,709 | 31.7% | 41 |
| Tennessee | $32,369 | $42,537 | 28.4% | 9 |
| Texas | $33,775 | $41,744 | 32.9% | 7 |
| Utah | $26,521 | $40,007 | 30.8% | 39 |
| Vermont | $26,461 | $46,622 | 28.5% | 49 |
| Virginia | $33,200 | $43,823 | 26.0% | 25 |
| Washington | $30,974 | $46,326 | 22.4% | 32 |
| West Virginia | $26,704 | $38,284 | 19.1% | 40 |
| Wisconsin | $25,222 | $46,390 | 21.5% | 28 |
| Wyoming | $31,481 | $43,255 | 37.0% | 27 |
