Some thoughts on unions

by JeffT 343 Replies latest members politics

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    Nonetheless, a rising chorus of commentators charge that public sector workers are overpaid relative to employees in comparable positions in the private sector. The fact that this claim is demonstrably false appears not to matter. Instead, the attacks are escalating. The most recent proposal gaining traction is to write new laws that would allow states to declare bankruptcy. This would let them rip up contracts with current public sector employees and walk away from their pension fund obligations. Only by declaring bankruptcy, Republican luminaries Jeb Bush and Newt Gingrich argued in the Los Angeles Times, will states be able to “reform their bloated, broken and underfunded pension systems for current and future workers.”

    This is about plutocracy and redefining the blurred boundaries between the classes. I was reading about Mussolini and fascism last night. He pushed to the Italian people that fascism was going to do away with the class system. Yet he revered and espoused The Republic, which really touted the class system. This is about the elite moving us towards a system of very few elite, filthy, stinking rich at the top and the rest of us poor and struggling peasants underneath their noses and thumbs. They can't enjoy their wealth unless we are all suffering. Sick, but even recent history is full of evil, power hungry greedy men and women who believe this is the way the world should and needs to be.

    Have you noticed that things like concert tickets and even going to the movies has been priced nearly out of the reach of the average family? It is only getting worse.

  • Sam Whiskey
    Sam Whiskey

    So....are you implying that only "Plutocrats" will get to see Taylor Swift at $85.00 per ticket? So...instead of having a concert for 40,000 people, she's only going to give them to 400?? Your implication (the context of your argument) is that only the "Super Rich" will be able to go to concerts.

    Same for movies and KFC. "My those Chicken Wings are gettin' spensive... fore' long, we won't be able to go out to KFC." - Uttered in the voice of Larry the Cable Guy

  • Sam Whiskey
    Sam Whiskey

    FHN - What is your definition of a Plutocrat in power? Can you give me some examples of ruling Plutocrats in our time? Plutocrats in American politics?

    Sincerely, I want to see it from your perspective.

  • beksbks
    beksbks
    I've made it clear that I support unions when they contribute to productivity.
    I'm still waiting for answers to my questions:
    1) Explain how your "living wage" proposal, whatever it is, will deal with the problem of positive feedback.
    2) How does the end user, in the case of public unions the taxpayer, benefit from public unions?
    3) If unions exist to redistribute "the pie" what pie are public unions redistributing?

    Unions don't exist to "contribute to productivity". They exist to protect the worker. To allow workers to join together and thus wield some power over their own lives. We all benefit from workers making a living wage. You think the economy rolls because those at the top get a tax break? It rolls because workers purchase. They create demand for products and services. Productivity in this country has risen over the last 30+ years, but the profits have been funneled up to the top while the largest portion of the country is using credit to maintain the same lifestyle they had before. Americans are working harder and harder, and seeing less and less of a return. Union workers stayed on a course with that productivity and profit. Why do you think the Corporations have worked so hard to squash them?

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier and says,"look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."

  • darthfader
    darthfader

    From the pure laissez-faire capitalistic approach, any unioin that brings wages above "equilibrium" is out of balance. Then the corporation must seek either a more equitable deal from the union or move the work to places where the labor is cheaper. The challenge is getting the corporation to "think beyond shareholders" and look at all the stakeholders (employees, customers, vendors and the public at large). Simply demanding higher wages is not going to work. Maybe a law that requires some % of the board of directors on public traded companies to contain reps for the workers.

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    I keep seeing the title of this thread as: Some thoughts on unicorns

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    It wasn't until NAFTA GATT and a few other regulations that were either struck down or put up, that companies started to move. Nothing is going to keep a company here if they are able to pay workers elsewhere a dollar a day. Other than legislature.

  • beksbks
    beksbks
    I keep seeing the title of this thread as: Some thoughts on unicorns

    We know where your sweet head is at

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Beksbks:

    A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier and says,"look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."

    Villabolo

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