Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me

by flipper 200 Replies latest members private

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  flipper

  Getting ready to go to bed. 2:15 A.M. alarm comes in just over 4 hours for work. Thanks for the good comments.

  KUDRA- It really IS an insane mentality to think that my daughter would contact me based on the idea of being " obedient " to an elder because he tells her to contact me. As if programmed like a robot with no emotion . But at this point I'll take anything . Perhaps the feelings and emotion can be restored again between us. I can only hope. I'm not too worried about the elder trying to get me DFed - once they find out my story of my past win in a JC appeal meeting - I don't think they'll want to tangle with me. If I only talk with one elder - it should stay safe. And watch what I say.

  FLYING HIGH NOW- That is an excellent piece of advice ! Well done. I WILL do that if 2 elders come. Just waste their time with drab conversation about mundane subjects and make them leave with scratching their heads. They'll either think I'm crazy, or just not interested. I'll try that. Thanks.

  WASBLIND- Yes, I do hope this elder thinks about the things I expressed to him. It's planted in his brain now so it could be rattling around in there somewhere. Thanks for the kind words about my daughters. The day they come back to me and restore our relationship- I'll be crying rivers & oceans with ya sis .

  SHIRLEY W- I can't remember if I mentioned that her sister shuns me as well. Even though a call by my daughter may be motivated by dubland - still at least it's a cALL. It's a start towards more acceptance and good relationships restored. I do hope the elder talks to my daughter about shunning me
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  3Mozzies

  Hey flipper, you handled it very well.

  I hope so much for your sake that your daughter starts speaking to you again.

  Crazy stupid cult!

  3Mozzies
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  nolongerwaiting

  Wow that was quite the conversation. It will be very interesting to see how it works out.

  NLW's wife
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  OUTLAW

  Good Evening Flipper..

  You know where this is going..I know you do..

  There is more than a good possibility,your going to be set up..

  You have No Friends in Watchtower World..No one does..

  Be ready to Threaten the Local JW Elders,with Legal Action..

  They will phone Bethel..Bethel will advise them to Back Off..

  It`s an old story played over and over..

  The WBT$ picks on those who can`t or won`t defend themselves,the rest they leave alone..

  ...................... ...OUTLAW
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  JRK

  Flip,

  I hope you didn't let too much information out so that you tripped his "aposta-radar." Play it cool next time, as he might ask the dreaded question: Do you still believe in God's organization?" It is a trick question to rapidly disassociate you.

  You did good, but I wouldn't trust this guy any farther than I could throw him. If your daughter does call, trust him only a little bit. As you said, down deep they are all company men.

  JK
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  jookbeard

  well done Flipps I bet you rolled up your sleeves and rubbed both hands together waiting for this confrontation! the cheek of their bare faced lies is still stunning though, look forward to partII
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  wobble

  Very well done Mr Flipper !

  I think ,if I catch your tone correctly, you did it in a friendly and respectful way, which is good, if you want your daughter (s) to contact you, it is best to keep this guy on your side.

  I think dear HF's advice is good, I did a similar thing when I got the Two Elder (with DF form ready in their pocket) Visit.

  You have to be so, so wary though, at some point one or both of them will ask you the "Loyalty" question "Do you believe WT/JW's is God's organization ?" or similar.

  At that point, as you, like me, do not wish to be DF'd you have to either lie, and say yes, or do as I did, and just let the question hang in the air,one Elder then waffled, he couldn't stand the silence, and I steered the conversation off on a tangent.

  If they stick to it, and demand an answer,you must be prepared to put the ball back in their court.

  "I'm so glad you mentioned that Bros. a friend recently asked why I believed it was, and everything I mentioned he countered very well, could you Bros. give me something I can say to him that will convince him ?"

  This could then lead to a very interesting session !

  Good luck, however you decide to play it.
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  nugget

  Flipper, I think you did a brilliant job, maybe you were a little too honest but I fully understand having been there myself. If you want your daughter to contact you then do not discuss other issues at all. You have too much to loose by going the distance. You are back on the radar basically right back at the beginning and the next visit will be the significant one. If the elder contacts your daughter he may ask her about any other views or doubts you have expressed and use this information as the basis for his next visit. I would be surprised if he encourages her to get back in touch I'm sorry to say this but your strongly held doubts may have got his apostacy raar twitching.

  I would just not be available for future visits if they call then it is not a convenient time. It is fun to play with them but it is a risky strategy and they know how to get deep inside and press those cult buttons. They will also set you up for the key questions. They are relentless and merciless when they get the scent of apostacy they are all over it however much they smile and tell you they love you and miss you.
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  FlyingHighNow

  If you had it to do over again, would you have kept all of that under your hat? I'm concerned that he will decide to tell your daughter that you are dangerous to associate with.
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  Snoozy

  My thoughts are that if he wanted to "Catch" you in something he would have brought someone in with him the first time..
  I really think he was sincere. (Yeah I know lol).

  I would love to see the look on your daughter's face when he tells her to give you a call..maybe that's all it will take to get her talking to you again (I hope).

  I bet from now on you will have your sweats on and ready on the weekend's..

  You are now a "Back call"..

  Snoozy