Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me (page 5)

Heaven

Flipper if they come back, tell them you are busy.

Or answer the door naked!

Naked at the Door

It seems you did a pretty good job there. You may indeed have planted some seeds; whether they take and start growing is another story. I would have to agree with FHN when she says not to get your hopes up about hearing from your daughter. JWs are rather unpredictable at the best of times and you don't know if that Elder might change his mind for whatever reason or if your daughter will even listen. I also agree with LV when he says that you can never be truly free when close family is still in. I wish you the best...

V665 V665

Ding

You did great, Flipper!

Even if your daughter doesn't call, at least you planted some seeds in that elder's head.

You never know; look at how many elders and ex-elders on JWN members and lurkers.

Maybe that elder is, or maybe he soon will be.

snowbird

Good job, Flipper!

I'm still hoping for your daughters and mine.

Syl

flipper

Thanks for all the great responses ! I appreciate all of them. I'll respond to pg. 1 first and then the other pages as the afternoon goes on.

RAY PUBLISHER- You are right- all we can do is hope our family wakes up. But yes, I probably did get HIS radar going with my comments- but I just don't have any fear anymore of these people. I played it safe I believe by just expressing doubts - I didn't say that it wasn't God's organization. That's to bad your DFed brother shuns YOU ! That's certainly a switch.

BETTERDAZE- Thanks, I appreciate it. I know my daughter and I were very close when I raised her as a single parent with joint custody with my JW ex-wife when she was a teenager- so I know it's eating at her not assopciating with me also. A person can only hide their real, authentic human personality so long. That being said- I hope the elder DOES what he said he'll do and tell her to call me. I wrote a letter to her telling her I had a nice chat with the elder. So she knows I was polite to him. Time will tell. I love her so much and she's always in my heart.

3MOZZIES- THanks. I hope for my daughters sake AND my sake she starts talking to me again.

NOLONGERWAITING"S WIFE- Yes, indeed- it was an interesting conversation. It will be entrancing to see how it works out. Stay tuned.

OUTLAW- The one thing this elder doesn't know that I know- is I've played his game and been experienced on this road before. Fortunately I've faced the fire of JC's and 6 elders at Appeal JC's and basically shut them down and won my appeal. But believe me my friend - I won't GIVE them any more verbiage to work with at this point. My lips are sealed from this point on. I've said enough. If they come back to my door all they'll get is conversation about baseball, my S.F. Giants, our weather and I'll ask them if they told my daughter to call me. Period. As you said- I know what they are up to , or what they may be PLANNING to be up to. I won't play the game. I won't let it even GET to the point that they form another JC on me. You know me- if they DO threaten a JC - they are tangling with the wrong person - I've threatened legal action before and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Thanks for the heads up.

JRK- Yeah, for sure- If they ask me the dreaded question of whether I think it's God's organization. If they do- I have no problem sluffing it and saying " Well sure ! But I'm having some serious doubts and questions is all. " And leave it at that. I'm not gonna say anymore though. As you stated- I've said enough at this point. Thanks for the advice. As you know - I trust these elders as far as I can spit. And that ain't far. I'll be careful my friend.

JOOKBEARD- Yes, I believe this elder was rather surprised at the doubts and issues I brought up. But I was respectful to him as a person, I came across very sincere yet concerned about my JW relatives still in.

WOBBLE- Your view is how I've been looking at this as well. To keep good relations with my daughter with a chance of reconciliation - I need to show respect to this elder so he can tell her I welcomed him into my home and seemed polite to him. My thought is this will register well with my daughter and cause her to hopefully see that I am decent and respectful- even though I haven't atended meetings in 7 years. All JW's think we are monsters or have some weird growth coming out of our necks or we are foaming at the mouth with spiritual rabies. It causes them cognizant dissonance when they see us being normal, polite, and happy.

NUGGET- Your advice is well grounded and I respect it. I will follow your advice and not say ANYMORE to these guys - other than asking " Did you call my daughter ? " Then chat about the weather, sports, baseball, gardening or whatever else. I'm not gonna let them get anything on me.

FLYING HIGH NOW- If I had to do it over again ? I think I'd have handled it just the way I did . It was only 1 elder. tThey have to have 2 eyewitnesses to see what I'm saying. Next time if he brings another elder- I'll just ask if they've called my daughter, then proceed to talk about knitting, hiking in the mountains where we live, fishing, sports, etc. I'm not going to let them gain ANY ground in this chess game . My lips are sealed from here on out about JW topics with them. The best they will get with me is a stalemate. Or impasse.

SNOOZY- I do think the elders motives were sincere in calling on me. But the next call may be for more information with another elder by his side. Then it's time for me to take the 5th amendment . I'll just ask him" Did you call my daughter ? " His answer will tell me if he's REALLY sincere towards me - or wanting my scalp

palmtree67

Good luck, Mr. F!!

<--------- For the Mrs.

whathappened

Please keep us posted on this.

TotallyADD

Great job Flipper. Although I think the elder was fishing. Does your daughter know how you feel on these subjects you talk about with this elder. If she does she may be the 2nd witness needed to df you. And maybe this elder is not that smart. I remember about a year ago at a elder meeting with the CO he brought out a directive from the GB that if someone says he no longer want to be a JW just leave them alone and consider them DA. I think the GB don't trust the elders anymore becuase they don't want the elders to find out why ones who no longer want to be a JW. By doing this the elders do not have to talk to the one's leaving. They are afraid they might learn something. I know by your threads you are smart, just watch your back. This cult can be very tricky. I hope your daughter comes to her senses and gives you a call. Totally ADD

mrsjones5

Can't wait to hear what happens when the elder comes back.

OUTLAW

Hey Flipper..

You have your Ducks in a Row..And..The JWN Crew has your 6..

Your loaded for Bear..

I Pity the Fool..That Mess`s with Flipper..

LOL!!..

.................... ...OUTLAW

Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me