Does God speak to you? HOW?

by Quentin 189 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • trevor
    trevor

    Folks talks about "balance" and "moderation" and things of that nature. Why utterly reject that there just may be a MIDDLE ground... simply because of what occurs by means of those at the remote pole? Aren't BOTH poles unreasonable... if we're talking true balance? One does NOT have to believe in, go along with, or accept religion... and its institutions and actions... to believe in God. In the same vein, one does not have to reject God utterly to be of sound mind.

    AGuest - Wise words indeed. You are becoming a philosopher - after my own heart.

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    I have to ask, dear Nick (peace to you!)... excluding those who use their beliefs to oppress and/or try to control others, what harm is there in one excepting one's own beliefs? If such beliefs causes one to be a better person, treat others better, do good in the world

    Absolutely nothing at all, Shelby, although I do have an opinion about people being good because of their religious beliefs rather than because they are just good people. As to the different poles, is there a middle ground? Either God exists or he does not. But by no means do I feel that someone of faith is in any way inferior to me, although I have felt prejudice from theists who dislike and are suspicious of atheists (not you, my dear). My wife is devoutly faithful to God and I have always held her extraordinary intelligence in high esteem. (I also, btw, started a thread a couple of days ago saying that one should not judge another on the basis of his/her faith or lack thereof - so I think we're on the same page on that score.) And by no means am I questioning sanity - although I am not entirely convinced any of us is completely sane. I am questioning human psychology recognising that people, including myself, have had unique and strange experiences. In my case, I recognised the experience as a manifestation of my brain. (See http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/208611/1/Reality-exists-in-your-brain )

    Thank you sincerely for your post. You're another one who's mind I respect a great deal.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Thank you for responding and your very kind words, dear Nick (peace to you!)... and for the link to your post. I read it and found it VERY interesting, and so responded cursorily (for me, anyway - LOLOLOL!).

    Your dear wife must know she has a "treasure" in you. If not, let her read some of your posts.

    I have felt prejudice from theists who dislike and are suspicious of atheists

    Oh, come now: they don't limit themselves to atheists - LOLOLOLOL! Most "theists" (as that word negatively connotates) dislike and are suspicious of anyone who doesn't believe as they do. Even other theists... and certainly spiritual non-theists (like myself). You're not alone in that, dear one, so take it in stride. Under these circumstances, you're probably in better company than you think, actually.

    Again, thank you and peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Oh, come now: they don't limit themselves to atheists - LOLOLOLOL! Most "theists" (as that word negatively connotates) dislike and are suspicious of anyone who doesn't believe as they do. Even other theists... and certainly spiritual non-theists (like myself). You're not alone in that, dear one, so take it in stride. Under these circumstances, you're probably in better company than you think, actually.

    Yes, how true. I am often amazed by the extent to which you and I are in agreement on some things yet be in such fundamental disagreement on another.

  • andrekish
    andrekish

    Hi WhereAmI. 'And that our lovely sun will one day implode and take it's solar system along with it,'

    The guys at Cerne who have got a really faster atom smasher think that in a few trillion years this is all gonna fade out into a motionless soup of protons. Sounds like fun. Maybe it will, I can't say. But I do think this world is greater than many imagine it could be.

    Hi Nicholas 'how do you know that it isn't your brain just making stuff up? I think it can be difficult to determine what is real and what is not real'

    I absolutely, 100 per cent, totally agree with you.

    But I truly keep getting images of future events before they happen and then later they REALLY happen. I haven't got a clue why, really I haven't, and everyone I've asked has failed to answer 'coz they don't know why either. But this does happen to me and since everybody on this planet carries the same DNA syntax in every cell it makes us all capable of experiencing this phenomena. I call this a phenomena because it is real and I cannot explain it. I am not trying to highlight myself as a person. Because this does happen to me I know that for some reason, whatever it may turn out to be, this cannot be delusional as what I see in my head later happens. It is absolutely mental. In the mind. And I do not know how a thing that relies on physicallity for it's existance such as any human brain can see into the future. As a phenomena it is weird and defies any scientific or logical reasoning. But it happens.

    By way of daft example. I sat with friends watching a preview program four hours before an England soccer match. As we watched a well known celebrity psychic called Yuri Geller put pictures of five English players on the screen and asked the viewers to put their hands on the screen and wish them well. I was curious and couldn't see how this would influence anything. As I put my hand on the screen I got a image each time of what what later happen to that player including that of a player called Wayne Rooney being carried off of the pitch on a stretcher. As each image occurred I immediately said aloud what I had seen including the words: 'Wayne Rooney is going to break his leg tonight...No, it won't be quite that serious he is going to break his foot.' This truly, truly happened. Four hours later during the game Wayne Rooney was stretchered from the pitch with a broken metatarsul bone in his foot. Indeed, what I had seen for every player whose photo had been shown actually happened. My friends keep telling me to take part in the lottery but the only horses I've ever backed have come in last.

    On another occassion I predicted the scorer for each of the 8 scored goals minutes before each one was scored. All 8 images that I got in my head were correct. The odds would have been fantastic and would have broken any bookmaker if I'd had a bet with them.

    It does make me realise that something concrete is occuring beyond the scientific realms and it's just one of the reasons I suspect that God is alive and kicking.

  • trevor
    trevor

    "...it's just one of the reasons I suspect that God is alive and kicking."

    Let's hope he doesn't end up with a broken metatarsul bone in his foot!

  • whereami
    whereami
    Hi WhereAmI. 'And that our lovely sun will one day implode and take it's solar system along with it,'
    The guys at Cerne who have got a really faster atom smasher think that in a few trillion years this is all gonna fade out into a motionless soup of protons. Sounds like fun. Maybe it will, I can't say. But I do think this world is greater than many imagine it could be.

    Hi andrekish. You still didn't address what I said. We KNOW for a fact that the sun will implode in a few billion years. It's not an "we think it will" it's a "we KNOW it will. It happens all the time in the universe. You also didn't also address the posibility that the Andromeda galaxy is also on a collision course with ours. What do you think is going to happen when this occurs? So much for a perfectly made universe, no?

    The universe has more violence and destruction happening in it then you can imagine. Yes.. we've been very lucky to be living in a time where we've been unscaved. But rest assured, our day WILL come.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    We KNOW for a fact that the sun will implode in a few billion years.

    Just like we KNEW that man couldn't fly? couldn't get to the moon? that a virgin can't have a child?

    That kind of knowing?

    Dude, science tells us that yes, the sun will eventually implode and it tells us base don what we KNOW NOW and alsoleaves opne the option that it can happen sooner or later or even the slightest possibility that it may never happen since we do NOT know everything about how the universe works.

    So, lets say that, base don what we KNOW NOW, the sun will implode billions of years from now, but lets not make it sound like it is a 100% certain fact.

    Even if it is 99.999999%.

    The fact that stars imploding happen all the time means just that, that since we have been studying the stars we have found evidence that stars, liek our sun, imploded.

    And that is all it means.Unless of course you KNOW that the rules of the universe are 100% as they are right NOW and we will never discover anything contridictory in the future or discover anything to further our knowledge of how the universe works.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    lets not make it sound like it is a 100% certain fact. Even if it is 99.999999%.

    Funny, dear PSacto (the greatest of love and peace to you!), a wise person once said to me, "Although it's highly likely, 99.99%... is not a fact."

    I kind of liked that.

    Peace!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    According to some:

    The Sun is a pretty ordinary star. Middle of the road in what astronomers call the "Main Sequence" O,B,A,F,G,K,M (our sun is a G star).

    It is about half way through its life cycle and has about 5 billion years to go. Its mass is too small for it to explode (Nova) or to implode. Star 1.5 to 2 times our sun can implode and become neutron stars. Our sun will become a red giant and expand way beyond the earth's orbit.

    Eventually it will eject the outer layer of material and the sun will become a white dwarf star.

    What about explode:

    No, the Sun will not explode. To explode indicates that the internal forces will eventually overcome gravity and violently tear the Sun apart. This is not the fate in store for the Sun. As Clark described, the Sun will eventually start to burn helium to produce Carbon. However, that is as far as it will go. The Sun does not have enough mass to generate the heat required to burn carbon to produce heavier elements. As helium builds up in the Sun's core, the hydrogen fusion will move to higher levels in the Sun. This will more strongly heat the outer layers of the Sun causing them to expand. (This is not an explosion.) The Sun will eventually expand to swallow Earth and possibly even Mars. At the same time the core will contract raising the temperature until helium fuses to produce Carbon. The Helium will be burned up fairly quickly. Once it is gone, the core will begin to collapse down to a white dwarf and the outer layers will relatively quietly separate from the core and move outward to form a planetary nebula (http://tinyurl.com/dhsej). This is the fate that awaits the sun.

    FYI, when astronomers talk about a star exploding, they are usually talking about some sort of nova or supernova. The Sun has nowhere near enough mass to do that.

    or here: In nucleosynthesis, when all the hydrogen atoms are fused into helium atoms, could the helium atoms fuse into something, rather than the Sun turning into a white dwarf?

    Stars like the Sun burn hydrogen into helium in their centers during the main-sequence phase, but eventually there is not enough hydrogen left in the center to provide the necessary radiation pressure to balance gravity. The center of the star thus contracts until it is hot enough for helium to be converted into carbon. The hydrogen in a shell continues to burn into helium, but the outer layers of the star have to expand in order to conserve energy. This makes the star appear brighter and cooler, and it becomes a red giant.

    During the red giant phase, a star often loses a lot of its outer layers which are blown away by the radiation coming from below. Eventually, in the more massive stars of the group, the carbon may burn to even heavier elements, but ourSunwill never really get past carbon. Eventually the energy generation will fizzle out and the star will collapse to a white dwarf.

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