How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?

by Mr. Falcon 99 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    100% agree. "Us or Them" mentality at it's most blatant. Which leads me to my next question in this thread.....

    What are your thoughts on this Matthew 24:14? As much as I disagree with many of the WTBS's doctrine, there is a pretty large preaching campaign carried out by them. How do you guys interpret this "sign"?

    "This gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

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    Good question, there's a couple thoughts that come to mine, and I have to say thank you to Terry for getting me on the right track. He asked the question in a thread, If there always was a faithful and discreet slave on the earth, why didn't Russell join up with them? That hit me like a bullet when I read that. An argument can be made that the WT is probably the most visible with a large preaching campaign, however, how'd they get the message? From the Adventists!! Where'd the Adventist's get the message? From the Millerites! Where'd the Millerites get the message? From the Baptists! So on, so on, so on...... All of these groups according to WT doctrine make up Babylon the Great, however all of them were instrumental to the WT's birth! Not to mention, the WT isn't the only group preaching today. There's Mennonites, Mormons, heck even Nation of Islam members sell bean pies and The Final Call magazine near the closest liquor store in any black neighborhood. Christianity wouldn't exist in foreign countries today if not for the efforts of missionaries from Catholic and Protestant denominations. JWs wouldn't be able to preach the good news and have some kind of repoire with other denominations if someone from some denomination other than JWs hadn't already taught them about Jesus.

    The other thing too is, while its true that preaching the good news of the kingdom is a feature of the last days, Jesus didn't say that the door to door ministry was specifically nor exclusively how that prophetic feature was to be fulfilled. Just because JWs knock on doors like ONE ACCOUNT states in the scriptures, doesn't invalidate the efforts of TV Ministers, pew leaders who wait on the sincere ones to enter their church doors, religious messages on billboards, or even the random Jesus freak you run into at the supermarket or at the bus station. Considering the WT states that the door to door work is pretty much the only accepted way of preaching the good news, and they base that upon ONE ACCOUNT in the scriptures, then how come they don't preach in synogogues and Pagan temples like the apostle Paul, Peter, and John did?

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    1 Thes5:3

    While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

    Who knows if this will ever happen? but stranger things have. I think this shows us that people will think everything is ok. They will think that the bible is wrong. It won't happen to them. They will believe the teachings of science...God doesn't exist...he is a hoax....we don't need to fear God any more...the prophesies are just a figment of some guys imagination. Just because science says so, this does not mean it is true. Science pushes their own kind of truth.

    As a woman I can relate to the reference to labor pains. It's a funny thing. You know that if you are pregnant you will eventually give birth. No woman looks forward to that event. (trust me on that). But in those last few days something changes. Suddenly you have an overwhelming desire to give birth. Most of the fear goes away. But still, in a way, it feels like it's not going to happen. (false sense of security). But of course, eventually, the labour pains start.....there is no way to stop it...you have to accept your fate....there is no escape, you come to a place of peace and acceptance.

    For me, I feel the same way about the last days....I know it will happen....I often tune out and pretend it won't (fear of the unknown), there is no way to stop it...there is no escape. But there is a sense of peace when I trust in God.

    Other than being aware, there is no way of knowing when it will happen. God alone knows when, no one else, not even the son. The bible reinforces this time and time again.

    I don't think I have a secret code. Or have found any answer to that question. I can just relate to this verse as a woman.

  • fade_away
    fade_away

    My take on it is that with the advancement of technology bad news is more readily available giving way to the perception of an ever increasing, dangerous world, when in reality people have been killing, raping, tortuing, starving and dying since the dawn of man.

    Dune, that is exactly what my wife has always said. She definitely has a point in that. News at the click of a button makes the world look uglier than it used to 100 years ago.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Jesus warned his followers to not be decieved because many would be as a result of the false prophets saying, "he's out in the wilderness!", or "he's in the inner rooms!"

    Jesus, it would seem, knew about the "Elvis 7/11" phenomenon before we did.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    1 Thes5:3

    While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

    Who knows if this will ever happen? but stranger things have.

    Peace and Security is a tenent of government which has been around since the days of Jesus. Just another "thing to look out for" that is always there to see in the first place.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    The other thing too is, while its true that preaching the good news of the kingdom is a feature of the last days, Jesus didn't say that the door to door ministry was specifically nor exclusively how that prophetic feature was to be fulfilled. Just because JWs knock on doors like ONE ACCOUNT states in the scriptures, doesn't invalidate the efforts of TV Ministers, pew leaders who wait on the sincere ones to enter their church doors, religious messages on billboards, or even the random Jesus freak you run into at the supermarket or at the bus station. Considering the WT states that the door to door work is pretty much the only accepted way of preaching the good news, and they base that upon ONE ACCOUNT in the scriptures, then how come they don't preach in synogogues and Pagan temples like the apostle Paul, Peter, and John did?

    Just as Mad Dog Tannen only needed one bullet to kill Marty McFly the Watchtower only needs one account to substantialize a full fledged doctrine. They both missed their targets.

    -Sab

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    News at the click of a button makes the world look uglier than it used to 100 years ago.

    So true, fade away. Also the media is increasingly sensationalistic. There's an old saying in the media world: "If it bleeds, it leads."

    Jesus, it would seem, knew about the "Elvis 7/11" phenomenon before we did.

    Sab...or perhaps if there was a man named Jesus his legend grew because of the Elvis 7/11 phenomenon.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    hope I didn't derail your thread. Gotta keep my mouth shut.

    No, not at all, unshackled! I want all viewpoints on this. Hell, I wouldn't even mind hearing from Maze. If you read some of my earlier comments, I myself am torn between belief/disbelief in the Bible. So I completely respect anyone's opinion, athiest, agnostic or believer.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Miz's entire last comment.

    Damn, that's good logic. Makes 115% sense. This is one thing that I have struggled with. Honestly more people on this earth are familiar with Catholicism or Islam than the JWs. (not saying the Catholicism and Islam are the right religions, I'm just saying let's face it, you can find them represented more on this earth than the Witnesses.)

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Other than being aware, there is no way of knowing when it will happen. God alone knows when, no one else, not even the son. The bible reinforces this time and time again.

    I don't think I have a secret code. Or have found any answer to that question.

    still thinking - I may not completely agree with your feelings, but I can understand and respect where you're coming from. One thing we can agree on is that if there is a God, and if He is going to bring about some actual sort of Judgment Day, and if the Bible is indeed correct, than human organizations need to stop trying to figure out cryptic math and goofy magic 8-ball predictions about when it's going to happen.

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