How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?

by Mr. Falcon 99 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    The world is a lot more peaceful today then it was say during WW2 or during the cold war.The problem is that we have steady diet of death and destruction on a daily basis on tv.

    d - While I tend to agree with you, there are regions on this earth that are ravaged by bloody fighting right now. Maybe we should look at the warfare in the world as regard to what percentage of the world is there active fighting now instead of religious groups making it sound like there is fighting in every street, every home and every town on the planet.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    If God is DRAWING those with favorable hearts to him, why so few with good hearts in Asia, India, Middle East compared with USA, Europe, Guadaloupe (isn't that where JWs are 1 to 30 in general population? GOOD HEARTS THERE!!) etc.

    DesirousofChange - It's also ironic that there are so many rotten-hearted individuals among the JW ranks, just as there are among the non-JW population. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to judge people's hearts...

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    So me personally, I'm not entirely convinced that violent entertainment was any less in demand back then as much as the options weren't as diverse as is nowadays.

    Miz, I think you and Sab both make good points here. Again, if we look back on the bloody entertainment of ancient Rome, we can see that they started out with gladiators fighting each other. But as the crowds grew and grew, they demanded more and more "action". So the emperors started bringing in exotic animals to fight them. Hell, they even filled the Coliseum with water to recreate some epic sea fight, warships and all. That's badass.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    If I was God, I would put up a big sign like this...

    http://www.blogsmonroe.com/faith/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SignLastDays1.jpg

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Larsinger58 - Thank you for your commentary. I honestly never even considered all of what you are claiming, but it is extremely interesting. The persecution of the Jews during WWII didn't encompass the entire Jewish race, but then again, the destruction of Jerusalem didn't include the entire Jewish race alive at that time either. That is a damn interesting analysis you make.

    However, if what you say is correct, does that mean that the Jews during the Holocaust and the State of Israel are still God's chosen people? What about what Jesus said when he told them that their "house is abandoned to them." What do you think he was referring to there?

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    The WTS. never produced anything valid right from its very beginning

    thetrueone - You're touching on one of the fundemental questions I was trying to raise with this thread. So many religions (not just JWs) make claims to being able to interpret Bible prophecy. Some vaguely speak of an Apocalypse, some come right out and set a date, others, like the JWs, are a mixture of both. But what crediblity or right does any of these groups have that makes them stand out from all the others?

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    How would I interpret the last days?

    Gray hair, walk with a cane,back bent so over cant straighten up
    Glasses,false teeth,cant handle all the new gimiks,like e-mails.
    cell phones,twitter,needs a bath stool,cos cant get in bath,so must
    have shower only...waiting to close the eyes for good. last days....

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    So for Witnesses, Camping, or any OTHER evangelical cult to claim the end is close is a bunch of hogwash. Religious cults have been saying that for thousands of years - and they'll probably continue saying it - doesn't mean it will happen.

    Mr. Flipper - That's for certain. Especially if people can be exploited for monatary gain based on such fearful teachings. I'm very interested in the psychology behind groups that believe these things. I don't want to bash anyone's beliefs, even if I personally don't put much stock in these proclamations. What do you think, sir? Do you think that people's doomsday prophecies hinge more on that individual person or groups perception of suffering or are these signs really that evident?

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    When your blood pressure falls to a very low level and your breathing slows and finally stops, that's a sign you are in your "last days."

    Gray hair, walk with a cane,back bent so over cant straighten up
    Glasses,false teeth,cant handle all the new gimiks,like e-mails.
    cell phones,twitter,needs a bath stool,cos cant get in bath,so must
    have shower only...waiting to close the eyes for good. last days....

    Nathan & Mouthy - Point respectfully taken

    So perhaps these doomsday prophecies are geared more to our own human experience? Budda said that "life is suffering". Is the suffering in our lives the fulfillment of the Great Tribulation?

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    FALCON:

    Larsinger58 - Thank you for your commentary. I honestly never even considered all of what you are claiming, but it is extremely interesting. The persecution of the Jews during WWII didn't encompass the entire Jewish race, but then again, the destruction of Jerusalem didn't include the entire Jewish race alive at that time either. That is a damn interesting analysis you make.

    Yes, it is a focal interpretation. Gog of Magog which was the German Nazis and WWII is the setting of the great tribulation, thus the Jews in Europe, Eastern Europe primarily. The new "Judea" would be the primary resettlement of Jews in exile, and Warsaw, Poland became the anti-typical Jerusalem. The fulfillment of the prophecy at Zechariah 13:8 that says two thirds of the Jews would be exterminated and then one third would be preserved and restored to their homeland reflects the six million out of nine million Jews that died in the Holocaust. So it is considered to be fulfilled focally in the context of Nazi Germany and WWII, Eastern Europe, the death camps, etc.

    However, if what you say is correct, does that mean that the Jews during the Holocaust and the State of Israel are still God's chosen people? What about what Jesus said when he told them that their "house is abandoned to them." What do you think he was referring to there?

    Yes, good point. But Jehovah did abandon the Jews and their house causing the "appointed times of the nations" to take place. But only for an appointed time. When Jesus said their house was abandoned to them, he didn't say forever. Following scriptures it is clear there was an abandonmnt, an exile followed by a sword, but also the promise of restoration by a remnant. Allow me to quote that:

    ZECH 13:8 "And it must occur in all the land," is the utterance of Jehovah, "[that] two parts in it are what will be cut off [and] expire; and as for the third [part], it will be left remaining in it. 9 And I shall certainly bring the third [part] through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold. It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, ‘It is my people,’ and it, in its turn, will say, ‘Jehovah is my God.’"

    That is, two thirds of the nation would expire and be exterminated and one third would be preserved. That is fulfilled by the well known six million Jews that died in the Holocaust out of an estimated 9 million; just as the Bible prophesied. Further, the State of Israel was established right on the heels of the Holocaust as prophesied and received God's blessing.

    So yes, there are TWO COVENANTS that were in place until 1996, a Christian covenant with the focal covenant with JWs as the temple sect, and the natural Jews. Note the "disgusting thing in a holy place" has a double fulfillment with the focus of Nazis on both Jews and JWs. JWs in the spiritual concept would be like the tribe of Levi, a special tribe handling special, sacred things, like the preaching of the "good news", but the covenant is with all of Christianity,which is also considered God's house.

    So yes, the Jews were still recognized as God's chosen people, as well as JWs, but only until 1996. That covenant is now "fulfilled" and thus ended. The Covenant is fulfilled in spiritual Israel, a combination of Jews and gentiles, specificall 10% natural Jews and 90% gentiles (see Isa 6:13)

    ISA 6:13

    13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it."

    The stump is natural Jews, 144,000. The branches made up by gentiles is 90%, 1,296,000 making up the total kingdom of 1,440,000. The two covenants, the two staffs, are now one.

    LS

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