How Would you Interpret the Sign of the Last Days?

by Mr. Falcon 99 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    I think the biggest problem is relating the term 'Christians' to people that like to predict end times...just because they claim to be christians does not make it so....by their works you will know them....I don't think that true Christians do this kind of thing. They just get on with life and try to make sense of it all.

    People who make these kinds of predictions are no more christians than they are hindus, jews or any other spirituality. They are an entity to themselves. They are self serving, and self important. They have nothing what so ever to do with Christ.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Sab, do you think that perhaps this is further reinforcement to Christians to "not put their trust in noble men" and not an actual prophetic saying?

    We should know by now that peace always comes at a high cost and is always temporary. That doesn't mean peace shouldn't be a goal for all that would be ludacris. We should work honestly to better ourselves.

    What I really think the verse is depicting is the arrogance of people that are not in peace and security and simply declare it for political reasons.

    -Sab

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Maybe this is our false sense of peace and security....we are becoming more and more tuned out to the world because we are overwhelmed by it.

    Just putting an idea out there...what do you think?

    That's an interesting theory, still thinking. However, media presentation in this day and age of corproratized mass production seems to be geared on wealth and greed. What sells. Sex. Violence. But sex and violence were always there. According to the Bible, God destroyed entire civilizations because of their hedonistic and violent behavior. But nowadays we have the technology to broadcast it, so I think while such things are very prevelant today, the power of technology has been harnessed by corporations as a powerful selling tool. Steam was always around, but what happened when man harnessed it to power a locomotive?

    But you make a very valid point as regards exposure therapy and the connection to how we respond to violence/gore in the media.

    Then again, I grew up watching Ren & Stimpy so what the hell do I know?

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    What I really think the verse is depicting is the arrogance of people that are not in peace and security and simply declare it for political reasons.

    True, Sab. Isn't that what Neville Chamberlain though he was going to get by appeasing Hitler? Peace? How'd that work out for the English? Oh yeah....

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    Damn, that's good logic. Makes 115% sense. This is one thing that I have struggled with. Honestly more people on this earth are familiar with Catholicism or Islam than the JWs. (not saying the Catholicism and Islam are the right religions, I'm just saying let's face it, you can find them represented more on this earth than the Witnesses.)

    One last thing on this line of discussion, is regarding the issue of judging. When the WT teaches that their organization and several obscure old men of European descent and one token black represent the faithful and discreet slave, and that salvation is only possible by recognizing such, they're in effect judging. They're saying that no matter how much good people do on behalf of their fellow man, and how much people stick to the letter of God's laws and principles out of love and respect for God & neighbor, the fact that they don't recognize the WT as Jehovah's organization, invalidates all the good they've done. That doesn't even make sense, its not remotely logical and flies in the face of reason, not to mention what's taught in the scriptures. Or rather I should say for emphasis, it highlights with the most fluorescent distinction that what the WT teaches is NOT what's taught in the scriptures. The WT tries to cover its tracks by paying the occasional lip service going, "Well we don't read hearts, but God does. " Meanwhile three paragraphs later they're looking forward to everyone except them being destroyed in just a little while, all because they didn't how important it was to kiss Theodore Jaracz behind. That's judging and it was something that Jesus condemned. So regardless if someone is Catholic, or Protestant, or whatever, the reality is its not up to us as humans to determine who's recieving salvation and who's not. Other denominations have done more on behalf of their fellow man than the WT could ever lay claim to.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    So regardless if someone is Catholic, or Protestant, or whatever, the reality is its not up to us as humans to determine who's recieving salvation and who's not. Other denominations have done more on behalf of their fellow man than the WT could ever lay claim to.

    Right on. Right the fack on, brother.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    From personal experience I have witnessed this first hand.

    My son (15) was playing lots of internet games...runescape etc...his behaviour deteriorated considerably. It actually bacame quite scary. We banned the games...the behaviour and attitude improved.

    The movies that are now put out there as horror movies and truly horrendous...but people my daughters age (18) laugh at me when I say this. I used to love horror movies when I was a teen. But honestly...the last one I saw was beyond horror...it was about torture and was disgusting. Atrocities during Hitlers reign were along the same lines...People are now watching this as entertainment! And see nothing wrong with it...

    If we are being that desensitized today...what will we actually think IS bad or wrong?...what will their sense of peace actually be?

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    what will their sense of peace actually be?

    Perhaps it means that they will have an individual "peace of mind"?

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    The movies that are now put out there as horror movies and truly horrendous...but people my daughters age (18) laugh at me when I say this. I used to love horror movies when I was a teen. But honestly...the last one I saw was beyond horror...it was about torture and was disgusting. Atrocities during Hitlers reign were along the same lines...People are now watching this as entertainment! And see nothing wrong with it...

    That's because the reasons why someone would want to watch senseless violence in such a manner will always want more. "More" gets old if you don't increase intensity.

    Movies are big business and if the customer wants depravity the customer gets depravity. The reason why senseless violence was not as vivid in past movies is because there were less customers that wanted it.

    -Sab

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    Movies are big business and if the customer wants depravity the customer gets depravity. The reason why senseless violence was not as vivid in past movies is because there were less customers that wanted it.

    Not to mention that the Roman Coliseum was a big center of retail and entertainment. Everybody loved those fights. Imagine if Rome had Comcast Cablevision? How much more encompassing would the gladitorial violence had been?

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