Evil Spirits

by LizLA 294 Replies latest jw experiences

  • InterestedOne
    InterestedOne

    tec wrote:

    And I'm not trying to build a theory.

    If that is the case, just to be clear, you are decidedly -not- applying the scientific method. With that one sentence, you are refusing to have a scientific conversation about what you mean by the word "spirit." Do you have another protocol by which you prefer to communicate on the subject of "spirit?" Are you able to articulate the rules of your protocol? You started saying that spirit might be energy, but energy has a certain meaning in a scientific context, which puts you in a scientific conversation that you refuse to engage in -- since you are not trying to build a theory. How then do you propose to communicate your meaning of "spirit" if not scientifically?

  • tec
    tec

    If that is the case, just to be clear, you are decidedly -not- applying the scientific method. With that one sentence, you are refusing to have a scientific conversation about what you mean by the word "spirit." Do you have another protocol by which you prefer to communicate on the subject of "spirit?" Are you able to articulate the rules of your protocol? You started saying that spirit might be energy, but energy has a certain meaning in a scientific context, which puts you in a scientific conversation that you refuse to engage in -- since you are not trying to build a theory. How then do you propose to communicate your meaning of "spirit" if not scientifically?

    Which would be what?

    I am listening to Christ, and trusting Him.

    As for science, there is nothing in science that I can see that contradicts His teachings, and some things that support it. (more to come, I believe) Matter can transform to energy (and I assume vice versa, if according to Einsteins theory, there is the same amount of matter/energy in the universe at all times... just in different forms). Standing wave theory supports the possibility of this transformation or rather, our perception of solid matter. (putting on and taking off the flesh) Many accept the possibility of other (intelligent) life/beings in the universe(s), even other dimensions - which might be another form of energy or beings.

    Is that more along the lines of what you're thinking?

    It isn't that I refuse to speak in scientific manner, but I am not a scientist, so I don't have the knowledge and I don't know all the rules.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Just as fanatical, just as closed-minded, and just as big a bunch of assholes.

    That is what SOME of you are................a bunch of stupid, idiotic ASSHOLES.

    Not really. Some of us are skeptical and demand proof. Some of us require that, if people want to wrap spirits and mysticism in the cloak of science, that's fine, but they have to play by the rules of science. They don't get to redefine methods and terms to suit their pre-determined ideas. Some of us see people making silly claims, like that no one knows how dolphins communicate or flocks of birds organize and that out.

    That's not fanatical or close-minded or idiotic. It's the best gauge of reality we have. It's a shame that you think that going backwards in human knowledge and technology and critical thinking is a good thing. It isn't. It's a safe bet to say that you are alive today because humanity didn't stay in the dark. Hopefully we won't crawl back into it.

    But hey, look on the bright side. It could be worse. We could be Tea Partiers. Then your label would be spot on.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Standing wave theory

    Yeah, I still have yet to find anything that talks about the math of this hypothesis and it might be true or what not. I know what a standing wave is and I get the sense they are suggesting space itself is made of standing waves, but beyond that everything I have seen tends to get less sciency and more philosophical without presenting any actual math or testing or evidence. Can you send me a link or something? I have looked and looked and can't seem to find anything concrete.

    supports the possibility of this transformation or rather, our perception of solid matter. (putting on and taking off the flesh)

    Matter isn't very solid it all. It's mostly empty space. The nuclear forces are what gives it the appearance and feel of solidity. Putting on and taking off the flesh? On and off of what? Our spirit? Our "spirit" (by that I mean personality and though processes) are directly tied to our physical matter. Take out part of your brain and see what happens.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Talk to a psychiatrist about your 'experiences' with 'evil spirits'. They will likely be able to prescribe appropriate medication for your hallucinations.

  • tec
    tec

    Yeah, I still have yet to find anything that talks about the math of this hypothesis and it might be true or what not. I know what a standing wave is and I get the sense they are suggesting space itself is made of standing waves, but beyond that everything I have seen tends to get less sciency and more philosophical without presenting any actual math or testing or evidence. Can you send me a link or something? I have looked and looked and can't seem to find anything concrete.

    I just looked around at a few different sites when I was looking at some of that. Honestly, my eyes glaze over when it comes to the math and physics because I don't understand them. I just understand the implications of this (or another theory that we might discover later that shows the how of matter being transformed to energy, and vice versa... because I was shown how Christ could have been in the flesh here in the physical world, and then enter the 'spiritual' by 'taking off the flesh')

    This one seems to have some math:

    http://physics.info/waves-standing/

    Matter isn't very solid it all. It's mostly empty space. The nuclear forces are what gives it the appearance and feel of solidity.

    I got that about matter... but the nuclear forces giving it the appearance and feel of solidity is interesting.

    Putting on and taking off the flesh? On and off of what? Our spirit?

    Yes.

    Our "spirit" (by that I mean personality and though processes) are directly tied to our physical matter. Take out part of your brain and see what happens.

    Tied to, yes, because we are tied to our physical bodies. Even though we are more than our physical bodies.

    But perhaps it is how we manifest/display who we are (the spirit), that is actually damaged by an injury to the brain. And not who we are, ourselves.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • tec
    tec

    G'night :)

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread

    EP,

    Just to let you know, I think your comments are bullshit and you are full of shit.

    That's my last comment on this thread.

    JudgeDreadWarlock

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I'll take this out of order, but it will make sense why...

    This one seems to have some math:

    http://physics.info/waves-standing/

    I have seen that site before. It talks about standing waves, a very well known phenomena that we currently take advantage of via technology today. As far as I can tell, the "standing wave theory" is really more of an untestable idea that hypothesises all matter and energy came into being via standing waves in space. Of course, they never mention how this happened or what the source of energy is keeping the waves standing, therefore it must be God. And no one has ever observed these waves in space or can measure them or anything else.

    It's the equivalent of Intelligent Design, but for physics.

    I just understand the implications of this (or another theory that we might discover later that shows the how of matter being transformed to energy, and vice versa... because I was shown how Christ could have been in the flesh here in the physical world, and then enter the 'spiritual' by 'taking off the flesh')

    The implications are that:

    1)our personality and thoughts are separate from our physical bodies

    2)that there is some mechanism to convert our flesh into matter and then exactly back again keeping consciouness coherent throughout the process

    3)that there is some as yet undiscovered way to do without without any loss of matter or energy during the conversion process

    4a)that the process is controlled to prevent destructive explosions when matter is converted to energy OR

    4b)that the conversion from matter to energy is to some undestructive type of undiscovered energy that is so far undetectable, either directly, via inference or deduction

    5)the non-destructive conversion process gives off no detectable heat, light or sound

    6)there is some method of containing the energy so that it does not dissipitate

    Keep in mind that the energy contained in a single pound of matter is equivalent to almost 10 megatons of TNT. Let's say the average human weighs 180 lbs, in that case we have a conversion of 170 lbs to energy is almost 1800 megatons of TNT. The largest nuclear device ever tested released about 50 megatons. That's the type of conversion that has to be utterly undetectable, a conversion of matter to energy almost 35 times more energetic than the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated.

    As far as putting off and on our flesh, ifI am understanding you correctly, the idea is that we are converting out matter to spirit (energy). If that is the case and what you are suggesting, then the spirit is always there. What need for the conversion then? If we are converting our matter to energy, then there must be some type of energy left behind as a placeholder. If damage to our physical bodies can change the way our spirit expresses itself, why couldn't we convert some of the energy in our hair or toenails or skin to new brain matter exactly as it was before it was damaged? That seems trivial enough if we can convert our entire body to energy and then back again exactly as it was before, especially if we have a placeholder spirit.

    If there is no placeholder bit of energy holding out conscious, then our spirit is nothing more than an energetic expression of our physical selves and is as limited as our bodies if it's expression can be altered via damage to our matter.

    There are a lot of holes and questions here that need to be thought through before this could be considered anything more that the stuff of Harry Potter meets Star Trek.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Just to let you know, I think your comments are bullshit and you are full of shit.

    Oh, JD, poor, poor JD. I feel for you man. I know you tried hard and that was the best you could come up with. Go tell your mommy, I am sure she'll tell you how proud of you she is that, even though you came in last, she'll still give you a gold star for trying.

    That's my last comment on this thread.

    It's a Christmas miracle!

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