by jambon1 319 Replies latest jw friends
Sab - I have just caught up with this thread.
You are an intelligent guy but I can't get over your ignorance, which seems to be self imposed.
The scientific method is not about "wait and see", but about observe, investigate and verify. It is the scientific method that has brought us all the advancements that make living in this century as great as it is.
I really don't understand why you are rejecting this for a load of mumbo jumbo!
Aaand you've never considered the possibility that your dyslexia goes deeper than mere letters, words and road directions???
Sab. says ....
Worship God, whatever that means to you. Whether that be your own life or a deity from one of humanities sacred texts.
The worshiping of gods throughout mankind's existence has proven to a crippling folly of diminishing values of life itself.
I would never expect any of the writings of ancient texts to be anything other than a documented reference of humanity's diminutive ignorance
of himself and the world of which they lived in.
Placing yourself in controlling obedience and worship of past ignorances has real damaging aspects for all and any individual, as well for all humanity.
So your coming out and saying Sab. that Yahweh is your personal god of choice ? .......ummm?
Sab./Sage I found an appropriate robe for you to wear while at least posting here on JWN, its in accordance to what the high priests wore
of the ancient Hebrews in their steadfast worship of Yahweh.
Sheesh, Sab... This conclusion of yours is inaccurate, too!! [I ignored it at first - but in looking at it now...]
"...Take the Internal Combustion Engine for example: ... This invention has killed far more people than tsetse fly could ever dream of, but yet the device is manufactured and freely sold around the world. ..." Sab, post #7734, page 1
Oh, really, Sab???
Do you mean to tell me that, at a kill-rate of over 250,000 per year, and an existence that dates back over 34 MILLION years, that the tsetse flies have NOT killed as many people as automobiles, which have only been in existence for around a HUNDRED years????
From this website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly
"...Tsetse have been extensively studied because of their disease transmission. These flies are multivoltine, typically producing about four generations yearly, and up to 31 generations total over their entire lifespan.[3]
... Fossilized tsetse have been recovered from the Florissant Fossil Beds in Colorado[3] showing that tsetse have allegedly existed in their modern morphological form for at least 34 million years. There are 23 species of tsetse flies. Diseases transmitted by tsetse flies kill 250,000-300,000 people per year. ..."
Sure, automobiles kill around 1.25 million per year NOW - but that is a very recent kill-rate; as one moves back in time to 50 years ago, when there were far fewer cars, the numbers drop dramatically...
On the other hand, since humans have been in Africa - and in range of the tsetse fly - for well over 100,000 years, one can see that the human death toll from tsetse-fly infection MUST be much higher than that of automobiles...
And if you'll take a look at OVERALL causes of death, as shown here at this website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate
Deaths per 100,000 per year
Group Cause Percent of deaths All Male Female
All Causes 100.00 916.1 954.7 877.1
A Cardiovascular diseases 29.34 268.8 259.3 278.4
B Infectious and parasitic diseases 23.04 211.3 221.7 200.4
A.1 Ischemic heart disease 12.64 115.8 121.4 110.1
C Malignant neoplasms (cancers) 12.49 114.4 126.9 101.7
A.2 Cerebrovascular disease (Stroke) 9.66 88.5 81.4 95.6
B.1 Respiratory infections 6.95 63.7 63.5 63.8
B.1.1 Lower respiratory tract infections 6.81 62.4 62.2 62.6
D Respiratory diseases 6.49 59.5 61.1 57.9
E Unintentional injuries 6.23 57.0 73.7 40.2
B.2 HIV/AIDS 4.87 44.6 46.2 43.0
D.1 Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 4.82 44.1 45.1 43.1
- Perinatal conditions 4.32 39.6 43.7 35.4
F Digestive diseases 3.45 31.6 34.9 28.2
B.3 Diarrhea diseases 3.15 28.9 30.0 27.8
G Intentional injuries (Suicide, Violence, War, etc.) 2.84 26.0 37.0 14.9
B.4 Tuberculosis 2.75 25.2 32.9 17.3
B.5 Malaria 2.23 20.4 19.4 21.5
C.1 Lung cancers 2.18 20.0 28.4 11.4
E.1 Road traffic accidents 2.09 19.1 27.8 10.4
B.6 Childhood diseases 1.97 18.1 18.0 18.2
Look at all those causes of death that are HIGHER than automobile accidents - heart diseases, parasitic diseases - including those carried by the tsetse fly - cancers, strokes...
Heck, automobile accidents are only #19 on the list...
Deaths caused by human beings operating/driving vehicles powered by IC engines does not establish a cause and effect relationship between the IC engine and the death.
Correction, it's not a direct cause and effect relationship which means it's not the designer's fault that people drive cars badly. But, the IC engine really does make driving bad possible. Without the engine speeds where death is likely when crashing is not probable. I like to focus on the cause and effect of Henry Ford rather than the inventor of the IC engine. He chose to put the IC engine in the hands of the common man. That was the predetermined goal he set for himself of which he was completely successful. Because of him, and his innovation and money I can now die while traveling 3,000 miles across the country. Ford knew how fast the technology could be, he knew the laws of physics.
My point is we shouldn't tar and feather Ford, like many do with God, for making that choice which ended up in the deaths of countless millions. The point is that it is worth the risk because of the responsibility the driver has. If the driver had no responsibility for their actions there would be no business is bringing the automobiles to everyone because of the liability. Since personal responsibility exists, cars exist and society progressed forward.
That same personal responsibility applies to the human mind. Just because it is designed doesn't immediately strip it of all responsibility. There can be a framework where suffering is the means to an end which will bring forth prosperity.
-Sab
Aaand you've never considered the possibility that your dyslexia goes deeper than mere letters, words and road directions???
This is an unnecessarily coarse thing to say.
-Sab
I really don't understand why you are rejecting this for a load of mumbo jumbo!
Hello cantleave, what exactly do you believe I am rejecting? What I am attempting to reject is the idea that my creator doesn't care whether I live or die. I reject the idea that his creations are based on whims that kill innocent life senselessly. I believe in a purpose and that that purpose can be deduced with logic alone. There is sense to the universe and the fact that there is sense is evidence of a designer. Not proof, but evidence.
-Sab
Heck, automobile accidents are only #19 on the list...
Their emissions on a mass scale have killed, or shorted the lifespan of, an unknown amount of people for an unknown amount of reasons. I add that to their death toll personally which could skyrocket them to the top, or just below inventions that pollute the air even worse.
-Sab
Sab./Sage I found an appropriate robe for you to wear while at least posting here on JWN, its in accordance to what the high priests wore
True you are a riot!
-Sab
