Does God's foreknowledge take away from free will? (page 20)

EntirelyPossible

I did ask.

So hit me ;)

One has a locked future with zero free will, the other does not. Why would I hit you?

God created life gravity, and then that gravity (us) controls what we do the car does

The analogy holds.

tec

One has a locked future with zero free will, the other does not. Why would I hit you?

How?

If I know what my son will choose because I know him (and he does choose it)... does that mean he had no free will to have made another choice?

(hit me with it... shoot... lay it on me... - I can't think of any other sayings meaning 'tell me' right now)

And no, even that analogy does not work. There is NO room for life choosing for itself in either the car or gravity analogy.

Peace,

tammy

EntirelyPossible

If I know what my son will choose because I know him (and he does choose it)... does that mean he had no free will to have made another choice?

Because, for the last time, you don't KNOW what your son will choose. You are guessing. You are using the word to mean something that, when used in the context of God, means something entirely different.

This discussion can go no further unless you use words in the proper context.

EntirelyPossible

Oh, and BTW, I notice that still not a single believer has said a single word about CA's insults and name calling.

tec

How do you know that it means something different in the context of God?

Peace,

tammy

EntirelyPossible

How do you know that it means something different in the context of God?

I'm not playing childish sematic games with you. Goodbye.

tec

It is not a semantics game, EP. People come up with all of these ideas about God that are based on... what? Then even when they don't believe in God... they stick with those ideas. Why?

I have not changed my point. It is the same point that I have stated from the start; has nothing to do with semantics or avoiding an argument or whatever.

If I can know my son's choice... without it being fate or destiny or written in stone... then why can God not do the same for us, only on a much larger scale... simply because of His MUCH larger perspective?

Peace,

tammy

cofty

I have read through all 10 pages and I reject the assumption of believers that god exists outside of time.

Time is one-dimensional. What I will do tomorrow has not happened yet. The "Great Big Book of Cofty" stops at the present, the next page will be written as time unfolds.

If there is a god who can read the next page then the book is complete whether he chooses to read it or not makes no difference.

If god knows the future actions of every creature perfectly then he is not a personal god, his interactions with humans are a farce, there are no possibilities. All choices he presents are fraudulent.

On the other hand is it possible that my future actions are determined entirely by nature and nurture and it only seems like I have free will?

I am undecided.

Here is the video notjustyet mentioned on the previous page...

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EntirelyPossible

Tammy, Christians are the ones saying God knows the future, not me. If you are saying he only guesses the future, then he is certainly not omniscient.

For the last time, you knowing your son's choice is a guess. It's a guess because you can and will be wrong at least some percentage of time.

tec

Tammy, Christians are the ones saying God knows the future, not me. If you are saying he only guesses the future, then he is certainly not omniscient.

Well, you will never catch me using a word like omniscient. You won't catch me using words that have this defined meaning, when it is probably a limited word for limited understanding. Doesn't cover it all. That is why i prefer to explain what i think, believe, feel, etc.

One word answers/definitions often cover things that I also DON'T believe in, so I don't use 'em.

Back to the point I attempted to make earlier... if one's "guesses" are always correct, then what is the practical difference between knowing and guessing?

For the last time, you knowing your son's choice is a guess. It's a guess because you can and will be wrong at least some percentage of time.

It was a simple example of the larger thing. It is possible to know what someone else is going to do, even if only one choice such as the example I gave of my son (even if the person has the ability to prove you wrong)... and not take away from their free will TO prove you wrong.

Peace,

tammy

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