by snare&racket 140 Replies latest jw experiences
I don't know, you tell me.
WHat do YOU think it means? or do you think it doesn'tmean anything because we are just fine?
It means you don't know what the question means and therefore have no reason to expect an answer until you can form a meaningful question.
I view it that way because that's what it is.
You asked me if YOU needed fixing, if YOU were borken.
I replied directly at you and you got gays and browns from that.
Are you gay and brown?
I found that you twisted what I directed at you under the context of what we two were discussing, to imply racism and homophobia.
I am sure you were trying to make a point, I just hope it wasn;t suggesting that I am homophobic or racists, was it?
For a long time belief in god has allowed the religious to create categories that do not exist in reality. Those who think a divine being is the source of love are able to downgrade those without such a belief as incapable of true love, true knowledge, true morality or some other such absolute.
What faith allows is the ability to role play. Faith makes up an imaginary world of goodies and baddies, blessings and curses, heavens and hells, vast cosmic battles, secret knowledge, incantations, magic rituals, telepathy, hope and all encompassing eternal story arcs. Faith is Harry Potter for the pious, a pretend hidden world under the surface of reality where believers secretly ache for the day they can reveal their true magic powers and move these muggles off their divine territory.
Faith in a god has a fundamental aim of power, it was born from human prehistory when war was fought with spear and shaman and victory was a divine sign. The whole xian concept of a war in heaven, eternal punishment for those who do not submit to god, glorious rewards for those who prove themselves worthy is all a power game. No one would be a xian if they were not motivated by the reward or the punishment. No eternal punishment, no righteous reward, no belief. That they feel their secret world game makes them better ( blessed / whole / healed / cleansed / forgiven) than those who can't play(sinners), refuse to play ( atheists) or make fun of them for playing (mockers) reveals the true nature of what faith is about. Love? Of course not its ALL about convincing oneself that they are better after all they shall 'inherit the earth.'
It means you don't know what the question means and therefore have no reason to expect an answer until you can form a meaningful question.
Sound like a cop- out BUT I will give you the benfit of the doubt that I wan;t able to phrase the question in a way that you could answer it.
I won't highjack the thread any longer.
I found that you twisted what I directed at you under the context of what we two were discussing, to imply racism and homophobia.
You said that people without God were equal but broken, somehow less. I said that's the same argument and type of thinking used to opress brown and gay people. If you found that to mean that YOU were racists or homophobic, then you need to re-read and figure out why. You are using the same arguments.
Are you gay and brown?
Are you interested?
I found that you twisted what I directed at you under the context of what we two were discussing, to imply racism and homophobia.
I am sure you were trying to make a point, I just hope it wasn;t suggesting that I am homophobic or racists, was it?
Of course not. I have no idea if you are either of those same things. Doesn't change the fact you are using the same reasoning to opress those groups.
Sound like a cop- out BUT I will give you the benfit of the doubt that I wan;t able to phrase the question in a way that you could answer it.
It sounds like a cop-out for me to not answer a question until I understand the question and the person asking it doesn't understand his OWN question? You need to listen better.
" Is that what you two are suggesting?"
I'm not suggesting anything, there is no "you two". I said I got a whiff. Not of racism but of an attitude that is on this board. That's what I meant.
Was talking to my wife about members of our church and how they were lovely people in general but in behaviour , beyond Mormon / xian rituals, they were no different than regular people in this part of the UK. In our active congregation of 100-150 we had ( that I knew about):
1/ 4 divorces
2/ 1 affair plus one attempted affair.
3/ 3 dishonest businessmen
4/ 1 abused by member, 5 abused by non member relatives
5/ 2 people with anger management issues
6/ Over 50% guys had admitted to viewing porn
7/ 3 verbally and 1 physically abusive husbands
8/ 1 suspected paedophile ( no actual evidence of harm )
9/ Several underage sexual liaisons that were reported
10/ 4 secret smokers
11/ 3 verbally nasty employers
12/ 3 secretly unhappy with marriage wives
13/ 2 closet gays ( one since out and out of church)
In short, the congregation was no purer than regular people outside.
Paul does not think that a christian is any better than anyone else. Go back and look at his many posts also, and you will see that he does not. He is one of the most respectful men on this forum. He does not oppress people, and the thought would not even enter his mind.
Peace,
tammy
Paul does not think that a christian is any better than anyone else.
Paul wrote that non-Christians are broken. Paul wrote that non-Christians are not fully human. I don't think you have any idea what Paul thinks. I don't think he does either since it seems impossible to write a cogent, rational position that is internally consistent.
He does not oppress people, and the thought would not even enter his mind.
No one here opresses anyone. He does think I am broken and he is not, though. He wrote it several times. What do you think of that?
