Please worship our god or he will kill you!

by snare&racket 140 Replies latest jw experiences

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  PSacramento

  First, it's not necessarily directed at just you though the Pelagian theology you use comes accross to me and (I guess) to cofty that way

  Pelagiius beleived that a Christian should be og high morals and uncompromising , even to the death and Augustine disagreed.

  I agree with AUgustine that the CHurch is a hospital for sinners and not a museum of saints.

  That said, that a Christian shoul try to be better than He was in behaviour and in thought is, to me, clear in the teachings of Christ and the apostles.

  Sure we fail and we have to accept that in ourselves and each other, but we should still strive to do better, not because if any moral law or any love, but because of God's love for us through Christ.
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  EntirelyPossible

  There is very little that is moral about God. Love existed long before God did, exists in many with and without him and will exist long after God is in the dustbin of history.
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  cofty

  A Christian is NOT better than an unbeleiver - PSac a minute ago

  PSac - may I remind you of your own words...

  we live in other-centered love, we love because they loved us first and so we love all others because of that love. When Father and Son abive in us through thr HS, we become fully human as God intended and we live to love others and to make our world a better palce, - PSac earlier

  So which is it?
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  PSacramento

  So which is it?

  Where in what I posted did I say a CHristian is Better than anyone else?

  Granted it seems to imply that and I apologise for the wording if it went in that direction.

  What I was trying to convey is what the ideal goal for a Christian is.

  A Christian trying to be a better person because of Gods love for him, (not to earn Gods love) is no better than anyone else that is trying to be a better person for their own reasons.

  God's gift of Grace is given to us all, as we are NOW.

  That when a person recieves this gift and understands the depth of God's love for them, they choose to want to express their love in "other-centred" love, I think is a good thing.

  AGain, I apoligize of the wording I used came off as self-righteous and implying some sort of superiority of Christians, it was not my intent.

  It can be argued that understanding that one needs Christ in their lives to help them be better than they are (not better than anyone else) is quite far from arrogance and self-righteousness and is indeed quite humbling.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Where in what I posted did I say a CHristian is Better than anyone else?

  You implied that without your version of God, someone isn't fully human.
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  PSacramento

  You implied that without your version of God, someone isn't fully human.

  Fully human As God intended, for us all.

  It was poorly worded, I apologize because I didn't mean to imply that.

  If one believes we are created in God's image and that "image" was damaged by the Fall, then to be "whole again", what is broken must be fixed and that is where CHrist comes in ( for a Christian).

  DO I hole those the do NOT believe in this as less human or inferior? No ! Absolutley not.

  We are ALL God's Children and He wants Us all in His loving embrace, in fellowship with Him through Christ.

  The choice is, as always, ours.
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  Satanus

  Are some of gods children not fully human? Or, if they are fully human already, why the need for christs intercession? Or, is being fully human not enough?

  S
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  EntirelyPossible

  DO I hole those the do NOT believe in this as less human or inferior? No ! Absolutley not.

  Are those without God fully human and complete in every way, the same as someone with a belief in god? If I am broken because I don't believe the same as you, how can you then claim we are equal? If a car with a flat tire equal to one with whole tires? Is a football player with a broken leg the same as one with a functioning leg?

  I am struggling to reconcile how you can, on the one hand, claim equality yet claim I am broken.
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  PSacramento

  Fully human AS GOD INTENDED.

  If you beleive in the Fall then you understand what I mean.

  If you don't, no worries, though I think we all admit that we hope for a time when we humans are better than we are now.

  I don't think that anyone here thiks humans have reached their FULL potential, have we?
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  EntirelyPossible

  Fully human AS GOD INTENDED.

  So you think your God thinks I am less than you? I am not being snarky, I really cannot understand this "Oh, you're equal but broken" thing.