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Jesus didn't care about chronologies and bible knowledge--why should we?
by humbled 93 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Pterist
Lars....I'm waiting for scriptures !
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Pterist
Lars *** I come not this time to bring peace, but a sword. I'm here to bring division. To separate the sheep from the goats. Have you not read this about Chrsit when he arrives. *******
What is your present % from all the denominations (sheep from goats) that you have separated so far ? Where are they physically located ?
Hebrews 9
he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Show me your scripture that says ...
he will appear a second time, IN A SINFUL BODY ???
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Londo111
*Lost*: I believe you would really benefit from reading In Search of Christian Freedom.
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Larsinger58
TEC: "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory."
Hi TEC. In the Bible, the "sea" has a special meaning. Note the 666-beast comes out of the "sea." Likewise, the "earth" has a special meaning as well. Note how the lamb-dragon/false prophet is said to come out of the "earth." The earth has a specifical meaning that links it to the Bible, Bible truth, and Jehovah's recognized organization. So "nations of the earth" or "tribes of the earth" here can have a limited reference.
At one point, even the WTS concluded since those who see him mourn over him sympathetically, that this must be a reference not to all nations of the world, but to those who are his followers. Since his followers can be considered belonging to the "earth" this reference is fulfilled by the nations of those belonging to Christ. These will recognize him and mourn over him.
Now the reason they mourn over him is because they see his face in the clouds. They see the face of a dead black child and thus they cry over him. But why? It's because the messiah at the second coming takes up the physical body of someone who was once faithful but then became unfaithful and left God's house and became spiritually dead. The prodigal son. That is why the "eagles" are said to surround a "carcass" as well, because part of the character and nature of the messiah at the second coming is that he, like the nation of Israel, though chosen, becomes unfaithful for a while, but repents at the very last minute, and when he does, he is made the Christ.
Note what happens to the prodigal son. When he returns, his father goes out to him, gives him the best new robe, which means the robe of the Christ and heir, and sandals for his feet and a ring. How many hints do we need he is making him the Christ. Then he gives him a private banquet. Elsewhere, the private banquet and wedding feast is linked with the kingdom of the heavens.
So if you wish, "nations of the earth" can mean all in the world, or it can be more specific to Christ's followers. How likely is every nation in the earth to see the christ and then mourn over him, especially if they don't know who he is? In the meantime, what has actually happened, is that the elect have either seen me personally or on TV.
Now Christ appears in the clouds, so you don't see him directly. But at one point, his appearance will be like lightning, which shines from coast to coast. But lightning is just a minisecond! It is not a continuous light like the Sun. So this was fulfilled by modern invention, the television. You see, you can appear on TV for just a half minute but it can be seen from coast to coast or all over the world if the program is syndicated. You just have to be tuned into the right channel at the right time. So since otherwise the messiah, while he grows up and is tested for 40 years prior to becoming the Christ, is "in the clouds" and thus living a private life, those waiting on him who want to see him can do so when he appears in public for just a short period of time. Being on national television accomplished that. But that was when I was still a DEAD messiah. That is, clearly living a life of sin, which is why when the elect saw me, they would mourn over me.
I appeared on two television shows: Once on "20/20" and once on "The Gong Show." Each time I was dressed in drag and living as a woman. Obviously I was not a member in good standing in the congregation. This is the time when Lazarus is cast out of the organization and outside the Rich Man's gait.
But also, the "sign of the son of man" is seen by the elect. This is a cloud image of a dead black child, so this image as well seen by the elect, the "tribes of the earth" would cause them to mourn over the dead Christ. This image is known to the WTS and appears in the Revelation Book:
So there's a choice here. If "nations of the earth" to you means everyone on the entire planet who will then mourn over the Christ when they see them, then this was not fulfilled. But for the elect, who understand "earth" has a special but limited reference to Christ's recognized secret followers and the added context that those who see him know he is the dead christ and would mourn over him, which certainly we would not apply to the entire world, then this was fulfilled when they saw either the "sign of the son of man" in their skies, or when they saw me on TV.
"Interpretation belongs to God." Christ appears to the world as a "thief in the night" which means they don't know him or see him when he first arrives. Mourning over the dead messiah is consistent with them seeing him before he repents from his spiritual death and lifestyle, so here "tribes of the earth" apparently has the limited and specific interpretastion as a reference to the chosen and already gathered even before the messiah becomes the Christ. The messiah was born in January of 1950 which is when the "sign of the son of man" began to appear. He would te bested for 40 years, during which time he does become spiritually dead, but all the while he is watched by the "eagles" who surround his dead carcass until he repents and then becomes the messia on December 25, 1992.
So this, as far as the elect are concerned, was fulfilled.
When Christ is revealed more publicly, like I'm "coming out" (sorry) now, it is just before Armageddon. When the world at large believe I just might be the Christ, then they will clamor at the door to get into the kingdom. But at that point, the door will be closed. So something will occur that will convince the world I'm the true Christ -- something more than scripture. But when that happens, the door will already have been closed and they will just know I'm the Christ before Armageddon destroys them -- not that they might not get life later during Judgment Day, depending upon their past life's choices.
But I know this is a difficult reference. Some translations say "nations of the earth" and others "tribes of the earth", so it is difficult not to see this as a reference to all the nations of the world since "earth" is a general reference as well. But in the Bible, 'earth" has a more specific reference.
But this is a good question. At least you are paying attention to what the Bible says and checking this out while there still might be time! You deserve an explanation from me how this was fulfilled prior to 1992! So very good. STAY ALERT!
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Larsinger58
Lars - why do you always miss the point ?
Its about LOVE, God is LOVE, The fruit of
the Holy Spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE,forebearance,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control.
The body of Christ is everyone who believes, no dates involved,
no timelines, its all one to God and we are all one.
Your complicated arguments are self-aggrandizement
Repent Lars.
And why do YOU miss the point? The difference between getting into the kingdom and not has to do with the "EXTRA oil". Love and goodness and all those things get you so far. But the "extra oil" is what makes the diffference between getting into the kingdom or not. Didn't the five wise virgins have love and faithfulness and all that? Sure they did. I'm sure the five foolish virgins were as well virtuous! They wanted into the kingdom. But they were not as focused as the wise virgins. They emphasized those basic things but ignored the additional things, the "extra things" in the Bible which they had disdain for and deemed unnecessary. Things like prophecy, prophetic parables and prophetic patterns and chronology! So in the end, the wise virgins who were focussed on the "extra" things, which means in a way, as well, those things less important compared to love and faithfulness, etc. are the ones who were able to recognize the true Christ in time and take their designated seat in the kingdom.
Again, I emphasize, all the ones who are rejected are going to throw this right up in my face: "But I did this in your name, I pioneered. I gave up my good job and my career so I could give more time to the ministry....bla, bla, bla." IN THEIR OWN MINDS they feel worthy and devoted and deserving. But guess what? I'm looking at them right now and I couldn't get them to accept chronology or prophecy if I shoved it down their throats! Some think that is exactly what I'm doing, in fact, shoving this chronology and prophecy down everybody's throat every time they turn the page!
But what will I be saying at Armageddon? I'll be saying: "I tried to tell you! But you were not acting like a sheep and listening, you had your own agenda and were like a goat, bucking against me!"
CHRONOLOGY is in the Bible. So what's anyone's excuse for ignoring it? NONE. That will be my judgment. You ignore scripture now, I ignore you on Judgment Day. You reap what you sow.
The people who actually care about what the Bible says and pay attention to prophecy and chronology, soon recognize that I'm the true christ and they listen to what I say and they get into the kingdom. It's that simple.
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villagegirl
LARS You are giving me the creeps. I am truly embarrassed for you.
Dude, if you want to be someone, why not Napoleon ? He had a great hat.
You could invade Russia in the winter, that should cure all your delusions.
Start now, on foot, wearing the hat.
These are mystical orders I recieved special for you.
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humbled
Lars!
I see you have the Iron Rod. I'm certain a child can see what you are saying. But a lot of rulers have iron rods--and Jesus never told me to watch for numbers--I have to go with Jesus I or Jesus II on this.
I will be on the watch. Since I don't know the day or the hour, sleep will have to wait. Besides, trying to be loving isn't the worst thing--especially if the other disciples are doing the same. It ain't so bad, waiting.
Jesus talked alot, enough that you could catch the sense of what his "voice" would be even if he came in a second coming--like the way the disciples recognized him eventually on the road to Emmaus .
He told us how to know his disciples, by the love they have among themselves. The FDS had numbers and an Iron Rod. they beat me with it. I believe they may have fullfiled the scriptures because they got impatient for the Master to arrive. But the Master may not like what they're doing to folks like me.
Like I said,Jesus talked enough that people caught the sense of what he said--In fact, far from tight numerical equations, he spoke parables! Something clever about that, imo, is that nobody much screwed around with altering his parables. And over the years, archeology,translations, history don't tangle them up. They age well.
Why would a God of love do it different?
If we trust anything in the bible, shouldn't we let the teachings that Jesus EXPLICITLY gave to us be the measure of matters?
How can you not hear yourself? You must know that Jesus brought comfort and healing--to you and me. Why isn't love the key? Jesus said it was.
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tec
I believe in God, Jesus, his word the bible, and i want to learn more, of the proper things.
There is only ONE to whom you need to turn, if you are seeking Truth and God. The One Teacher: Christ. HE is the Word of God, the Life, and the Truth. He speaks, even now, in spirit... because He is alive, and here, calling His people OUT of the wts. Many people hear that call, even if they don't know who it is that calls them, or even that He has called them.
You need only listen to His words.
Everything that He has ever taught me shows His Father to be of love, and mercy, and forgivness. To show these to others, this is what He asks of us. All the rest of the complicated twising that man and religions do... it is all to distract us from Christ; so that our eyes are on them, instead of Him... and the very simple message to listen to Him.
It takes a while to shake off the chains the wts puts on us (chains of fear and judgment and 'laws'), even for me. The wts puts people back under the law, rending the love and grace of Christ moot... rendering the blood (spirit) and life that He gave for all those who put faith in Him, meaningless. Because it is not enough for them... they cannot put faith in Him. Instead they look to the law, as Israel did before... replacing Christ with the "law and the teachers of the law" (the GB) and re-imprisoning all those Christ came to set free.
But you do not need to fear them. If you need faith, ask for it. If you need strength, ask for it. If you are seeking, then keep knocking and seeking and the door will be opened to you. If you want to hear Him, ask for ears to hear Him. For He is calling... "Come to me... for life."
You do not need to look to anyone other than him, lost.
Peace and love to you,
tammy
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Larsinger58
PTERIST:
Lars ***I come not this time to bring peace, but a sword. I'm here to bring division. To separate the sheep from the goats. Have you not read this about Chrsit when he arrives. *******
What is your present % from all the denominations (sheep from goats) that you have separated so far ? Where are they physically located ?
Hebrews 9
he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Show me your scripture that says ...
he will appear a second time, IN A SINFUL BODY ???
LARS:
Aha! this is actually it! This is one of them. This scripture shows that Christ comes the first time for "sin" that is, to make atonement for sin by his perfect sacrifice. The context of Hebrews emphasizes that this is "once for all time." But the second time he comes is not for a sacrifice of sin, but to be a king-priest. Thus it is not necessary for Christ to appear in a sinless body at the second coming, for one. And two, since he gave up his perfect body for all time for the sins of mankind, he cannot use that body again. That's why after his resurrection, he kept appearing in different bodies and disguises! That's because he would never be seen in his original body again! But nor does he have to be perfect, born as an infant, etc. So the second time, one of his servants are chosen for him to inhabit and he will become flesh again through another human. That human is the prodigal son, Lazarus!
Now the specific scripture that shows Christ would be in a sinful body is Leviticus 23:15 “‘And YOU must count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day of YOUR bringing the sheaf of the wave offering, seven sabbaths. They should prove to be complete. 16 To the day after the seventh sabbath YOU should count, fifty days, and YOU must present a new grain offering to Jehovah. 17 Out of YOUR dwelling places YOU should bring two loaves as a wave offering. Of two tenths of an e´phah of fine flour they should prove to be. They should be baked leavened, as first ripe fruits to Jehovah."
Very simple. Bread represents the physical body of Christ. Unleavened bread represents a body without sin. Leavened bread represents a sinful body. It's that simple. Now Pentecost is linked with the 1335 days. That's because Pentecost is 50 days after the 15th. Christ's ministry of 3.5 years represents 43 months or 1290 days. Christ died on Thursday, Nisan 20th, which is 45 days before Pentecost. So the 1290 days plus the 45 days links Pentecost with the "1335 days" which is linked to the second coming. So the second coming wave offering of first fruits, with christ in an imperfect body, is represented by that wave offering being with leaven, that is, with sin, in a sinful body.
Amazing that you are just now paying attention to this detai.
Now everyone clearly sees that Zechariah 3 is high priest Joshua becoming a king and represents the Christ. Remember, the first time Christ appears it is for sin, as a sin offering. The second time he arrives it is to be a king-priest. So here we see a priest becoming a king, so this first is about the second coming. But look! It is clear that Joshua is a sinful man because he comes before God with befouled garments, representing all his past sins. He is forgiven those sins and given new robes. This is the moment the prodigal son returns from his life of sin in the NT, when again, we see the prodigal son being given new robes! So the Bible in no way dodges that Christ would be in the flesh in an imperfect body at the second coming! But the most direct reference that Christ is in an imperfect body is Leviticus where it shows the nature of his physical body being with leaven and thus with sin.
Now can you understand that when the "eagles" who watch over the messiah since birth are described as seeing him as a "carcass"? Why is Christ a carcass? "Whever the CARCASS is, there the eagles will be gathered together." The messiah at the second coming undergoes a spiritual death and so that is why he is described as a carcass, that is why the elect mourn over him, when they see this spiritually dead Christ for so many years before he repents!
But now I've proven my point, now that you've stopped long enough to actually want to see what the Bible says instead of fostering your own preconceived ideas. But you know where this is going!! If Christ is in an imperfect body, and has to appear in 1992, which is not an option, I'm the chronology expert here, trust me -- then it is going to look like I'm the real thing pretty soon! Add to that the "sign of the son of man" depicting a dead black child and you will have to look for a black man as the true messiah. The Ethiopian reading isa 53, which is also about the physical body and appearance of Christ is also a "eunuch" which means he is an effeminate individual and thus gay. Lazarus is surrounded by dogs, who in the Bible are men who like cross-dressing prostitutes. I got arrested while in drag in Seattle, Washington for prostitution.
So it is beginning to happen. The foolish virgins' lamps are starting to burn again. They are discovering who the true Christ is. But it is too late. If you pay attention to the detail of scripture, you are going to figure out I'm actually the true Christ and not a lunatic as you thought.
But what happens when you finally realize I'm the true Christ? Armageddon will soon occur. The five foolish virgins, thus, indeed finally understand everything and want to get into my kingdom, but I must reject them. Their seats are already taken by others.
The more you learn from scripture, the more I become the messiah the Bible prophesied about. Those who don't know the Bible think I'm a lunatic for making this claim. Those who truly know the scriptures know I must be the Christ. It's just that smiple.
