by snare&racket 65 Replies latest jw friends
I'm not allowed to start a new thread for another 14 hours, can one of you lovely people do a thread based on this awesome news...
Big Bang Theory Confirmed with Planck Telescope...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9946222/New-images-confirm-Big-Bang-theory.html
On all the evidence we have, the flood story as told is a fantasy.
here a few things that are NOT proof it did NOT happen.
Snare &Racket: thank you for bringing this up for the new readers. but:
Noah's ark would not have needed oxigen mask for all to survive, because the airpressure of the atmosphere, when lifted everywhere, would still be nearly the same, for the volume of the air mass, column did not change. The rising tide lifts all boats, but also the air.
Yan Biblyan: A wooden vessel, that size, that loaded with even the most modern glues, fasteners would disintrigate even in the smoothest of seas, just the elephants walking. water does not lift mountains, its the other way around.
We can SEE evidence of the Big Bang beginning. A flood COULD have happened because the BB beginning made everything possible, but the flood did not happen, and we can not see evidence of it.
it is just another story piled onto the one of the spare-rib cloned lady listening to the talking snake- and not to be bettered the talking ass. and the walking on water and what not.
So if the flood didn't actually happen the way the Hebrews told it.
So Jesus who used the story when he was talking to descendents of those Hebrews--(if you can believe any thing that was written in the Bible)
So what.
Have you ever seen what those old old proto-phoenician/canaanite texts were like? hopefully spoken language was clearer for them than this crazy looking stuff. No capital letters, no puncuation, no certain way to trace a subject antecedent---When I got in trouble and left, I took to one of the interviews a big photocopy of writing on a potsherd from the era of the king David. "How can anyone create THEOLOGY from the vast empty spaces between these crude marks?"
Have you ever heard a tale of an amazing or fearful family event told within the family--in epic style? I have. The tale is true essentially--but omg someone later on the outside hearing it--- they jeer when you retell it. There is confusion.
The WTS waylaid us. That's fair to say. But now we don't have to ridicule ancient attempts to communicate amazing events just because the WTS told us cock-and-bull stories.
Maybe there is a Being who has been waiting for humans to have and a more informed understanding of the world. And he was generous enough to send Jesus when writing was improved but social ideas and science had a ways to go. I think Jesus still needs a hearing.
So what if the flood didn't happen.
So what if the flood didn't happen.
Well for starters Jesus whom you (and many of us used to) place so much stock in said it did, ... which raises another whole can of worms dont it.
Try this one on for size: Jesus wasnt who he thought he was.
Sound familiar? How many people currently and throughout all of mankind history have believed they were divine, a son of god(s), special in some extraordinary way? That's right, ...millions of 'em.
There's at least one on this very forum claiming to be the messiah right this minute. ALL of them needed the intervention of trained mental health care prefessionals. But such didnt exist beyond about 100 years ago and people were more easily duped into fantastical tales and expectations. Why does a 2000 years old man who couldnt get a minor detail like the flood account correct deserve any special pleading?
Answer: He doesnt.
I agree basically WMF, except things are not always B&W. For example, is it not possible that Jesus viewed Scripture as did a number of his contempories as simply Midrash. Stories from the past that can be re-applied to our day and teach us a lesson ?
In which case he would have been saying the equivalent of "In Robin Hood's day......"
Another possibility is that Jesus did believe the Noah story happened, but was not like Bible literalists who say "Genesis says the water covered Mt Everest" and Jesus read it, as the Hebrew allows, as the story of a local , but devastating flood, that still serves his teaching purpose.
So what if the flood didn't happen.
Then the word of God is not accurate and highly suspect.
Geological evidence to support a global flood just doesn't exist. This tree (Jurupa Oak in California) is over 13,000 years old. Trees don't survive being submerged in water.
Heaven, does the bible claim it was a Global flood, ? see my post above.
Phizzy, in order for it to kill all the people in the world besides Noah and his family, it would have had to be global, or at least over several continents. That is what the Bible says happened.
I love when people try to dance around it and claim they know what some guy was thinking thousands of years ago. It must be nice to have that kind of insight.
Phizzy:
The story is very much mixed up, but i dont think it actualy says it covered the entire earth. As per usual Christians lie and have invented the global flood story that is simply not present in the BIble. Most christian claims are like this. They even lie about their own Bible.
