An important difference between atheists and true believers

by Hortensia 219 Replies latest social current

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Cofty,

    In your opinion. You are not stating anything factual but your personal interpretation. I will not tolerate it. You have become a bully. Most of what you post lately is hogwash. You were not this way one year ago or even further back. My belief is none of your concern. I don't make crass and rude comments about atheists. Why is this forum so heated?

    When I sit down at a restaurant, go to work, or take a walk, atheists are not being rude to me. It is not your mission to cure believers. Perhaps it is you who need curing.

    You make people cling more dearly. Once upon a time, you posted interesting content. Your attitude has changed. Worry about atheists. Physician, heal thyself is the saying. Your stuff is garbage now. There is a "I don't care. Hurt them. Cripple them." attitude to you.

    I did not come here to have some idiot order what I can believe. No, no one appointed you my master.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    One important difference between atheists and true believers is that the believer by definition is compelled to act at times in horrible ways in the name of their belief .

    Let's take shunning as one example. Is this belief, which has torn families apart even destroyed lives, something the believer wants us to respect? Do we respect the Amish family that shuns their child forever? Or the Mormons? Or Scientologists? Or the JW's?

    Christian Scientist's............how many of their children died for want of medical treatment? Their leadership made that a condition of their religious beliefs and parents failed to protect their children. Are we obligated to respect those parents for following a belief that caused the death of a family members.The WTBTS makes abstaining from blood a condition of their religion, violate that policy and you will be punished for life. They also banned vaccines and transplants. They finally change those polices but how many died?

    Are Atheists limited to just condemning the leaders of these religions or are followers to take responsibility as well?

    Who was at fault at Jonestown? Certainly Jim Jones and his crew but how do we feel about those parents who willingly gave poison to their own children? They were all victims to be sure but what about the responsibility of the parents of those children?

    Why do people with strange, crazy,reckless, hurtful and harmful beliefs expect that atheists will give them a pass because we must respect those beliefs?

    The tension in this debate really centers around the harm a religion can do and the responsibility a believer must take when it comes to those who are under their protection.

    If some of us are a bit stern outspoken about religion it may be because we've seen people die because of beliefs that were nonsense.

    Nobody should have to die because they want the fellowship of others who believe, no parent should loose a child because the leaders of their religion say it's so.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Once upon a time, you posted interesting content. Your attitude has changed. - BOTR

    I haven't changed at all. Have a loook at my "Topics Started" list, I am very poud of it.

    I have posted essays dismantling WT theology on topics including ...

    The Ransom, Blood, The Parousia, and the WT view of Jesus.

    On more general theology I have started very successful threads on OT ethics and n atural evil as well as many science topics.

    When I sit down at a restaurant, go to work, or take a walk, atheists are not being rude to me. - BOTR

    I never mention faith or religion or atheism outside this forum. It's a religious discussion forum, didn't you notice?

    I did not come here to have some idiot... - BOTR

    I see you have resorted to name-calling BOTR.

    Typical angry theist.

  • kassad84
    kassad84

    One important difference between atheists and true believers is that the believer by definition is compelled to act at times in horrible ways in the name of their belief .

    I always love it when its one-sided.

  • kassad84
    kassad84

    dear cofty, i noticed you mentioned in another thread that you became a born again christian after you left the JWs... i am wondering what made you leave christianity for good, what made you lose hope in it? was it the people, or was it just your constant readings and meditations that lead you to concluding it all false?

  • cofty
    cofty

    Kassad - Initially it was the problem of evil that made me begin to question my faith.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Xanthipipe, Hitchens would be rolling in his grave with you claiming he wanted to ban religion, he actually said he didn't want to see an end to religion, Dawkins disagreed with him, but both would be horrified at a 'ban' on religion.

    You need to be more careful with your words, 'ban' is very different to 'would like to see it diminish'. As I said, Hitchens in fact said the opposite so you need to be s little more careful with your claims too. I mean no offence, just having read them I know you are incorrect.

    they discuss it here

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DKhc1pcDFM

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8zJ87JuQL0

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    Jgnat said: I get quite evangelical about immunization shots because the factual information is that immunization saves lots of lives. I persist even when populist opinion runs to the contrary. Because I see that some beliefs are dangerous to the well-being of our societies, to the vulnerable and weak.

    Yes! Some beliefs are dangerous, to individuals or to society in general. Sometimes you just have to speak up and call a fairy tale a fairy tale!

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    All that was left to post that was acceptable was atheists, sex and fluff threads.

    Hyperbolic nonsense.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    So again, the problem is when atheists act like Christians?

    Evangelism is not synonymous with being Christian. It's ironic that some people who disdain evangelistic type behavior, don't see it in themselves, even after becoming atheists.

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