An important difference between atheists and true believers

by Hortensia 219 Replies latest social current

  • LV101
    LV101

    Cofty backs up his claims with incredible references. I've shared his work with a couple of individuals who have their doctorates and they are in awe of his "intellect." He possesses amazing patience and shares his knowledge above and beyond on this board. Of course he has his opinions and he's certainly entitled to them. Some are too insecure and throw stones whenever someone disagrees with them. There's help for that.

    He should do a website for neophytes/Dummy 101 and charge! Many appreciate all his efforts. There's other "intellects" on bosrd and we know who they are!

    A Christian's faith, commitment, knowledge, etc., should stand on it's own without the insecure, judgmental slurs which are anything but Christ like.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    That may be, Apog, but she is making very personal, specific claims. I would prefer to NOT speculate that is what she meant. If it is, then, well, she's guilty of the same thing she is complaining about.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Don't attack the person, attack the ideology.

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    Atheists do not accept the mythological stories told about any specific deity from previous human history or

    stories told today.

  • Finkelstein
  • LV101
    LV101

    Right on, Fink! Love your comments on this board!

  • DJS
    DJS

    Hyprocrisy is the order of the day it seems. I do not know any evangelical atheists. None. And I know a lot of atheists. Are there a few? Of course, and we occasionally read news articles about one of them attempting to counter religious traditions via law, protest, etc., but there are likely very very few of them. Most atheists were born and raised in theism and left it after years of study, research, etc. I do not know of any atheists who left theism because they were angry at god (Kinda not possible is it) or based on a tragedy, etc. As a result, most atheists, having been believers, ARE tolerant. This is a site to discuss religion and the absence of such. Calling out irrational thought processes and un-intellectual comments and responses is going to occur. Get used to it. Grow a pair or develop a better argument.

    The very few atheists who are 'evangelical' always result in tons of Xtians whining about mean ole atheists who try to force their agendas down everyone's (Xtians) throats. What utter bullshit. I live in the U.S. and Xtianity has 'imposed' itself down everyone's throats for centuries, via law, culture and tradition. I'm an atheist and I date a Hindu; neither one of us give any thought to the Xtianity around us. The churches, holidays (we love them), traditions, etc. based on relgiion are essentially invisible to us. Xtians don't seem to consider this when they whine. (the Xtians do the exact same thing about gay/lesbian issues for the very few gays/lesbians who are activists. We see it on this board; the Xtians are tired of having the gay 'agenda' forced down everyone's (haters) throats. Hyprocitical bullshit. And stupidity.

    Believing is irrational. Believing is the next lowest level of what constititues sentient beings, just barely ahead of feeling. We as humans will never fulfill the potential in our DNA, both genetically due to natural selection and epi-genetically as long as we rely on a carrot stick relgiious approach to force, make or direct us to do the right thing (credit to Spike Lee). Only by doing the right think for no other reason than it is the right thing will humans advance. Religion is in the way of that process. Einstein said as much.

    As for this site: I have droned on and on to the whining theists that 90% of the posts are specifically theists or so JW specific that no self respecting atheist should ever participate. That leaves a scant 10 percent or so for all of us to engage. And yet so many theists whine on and on about the mean ole atheists dominating the site. What the eff am I missing here? I log on and typically see NOTHING on which to post. If it weren't for Cofty, Snare, Vivian, OTWO and others I would not participate. Viviane, let's you and I start developing spread sheets and statistics about the OP topics, number of views, posts, etc. so that we can bring some rational thought processes and facts to such inane comments. Not that it would change anything.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Let's do it.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    The very few atheists who are 'evangelical' always result in tons of Xtians whining about mean ole atheists who try to force their agendas down everyone's (Xtians) throats. [...] We see it on this board; the Xtians are tired of having the gay 'agenda' forced down everyone's (haters) throats.

    It's not a requirement that a majority be behind an agenda in order for people to complain about it. No one is claiming that they're outnumbered by atheists, nor are Americans claiming to be outnumbered by gay activists. Their complaint is simply that they do not like the ideas they are hearing from that minority and they wish they would stop promoting them. Didn't all of us feel that way about the Westboro jerks, even though there's only like 20 of them? It's hard to ignore even a few people when they are in your face.

    The real question is why anyone feels this way about atheists on this board. Is it because they're afraid of the message that atheists have? Unlikely. It's the tone they've been addressed in which is bothering them. Personally I come and go from this forum, so I don't see everything that happens here. The ones who have this complain should offer specific examples of it occurring. However, I have seen it happen enough that I do know they're not making this up.

    90% of the posts are specifically theists or so JW specific that no self respecting atheist should ever participate. That leaves a scant 10 percent or so for all of us to engage. And yet so many theists whine on and on about the mean ole atheists dominating the site. What the eff am I missing here? I log on and typically see NOTHING on which to post.

    You do know what the domain name for this forum is, right? This is a forum founded for JWs to talk openly about doubts in their faith and for ex-JWs to gather. It's not a science forum. It's a religion forum. It's good that you don't participate in what you're not interested in (personally I am still interested in the JW subjects, even though I don't believe in God), but the problem isn't what you personally are doing, so there's no need to loudly defend your own practices. If you actually read the faith-oriented threads here, you would see the obnoxious threadjacking that takes place by non-believers and you would understand what they're complaining about.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Ap,

    Ive heard others say the same thing. I agree with you. I don't do it and wonder why anyone would.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Their complaint is simply that they do not like the ideas they are hearing from that minority and they wish they would stop promoting them. Didn't all of us feel that way about the Westboro jerks, even though there's only like 20 of them? It's hard to ignore even a few people when they are in your face.

    So the complaint is still that some atheists are acting like some Christians.

    No one has a right to not hear things the don't like lin public. If there has been a specific incident of someone being told they are scum, they need to show that. Not liking tone or the message.

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