If God is real?

by suavojr 108 Replies latest jw friends

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    Whenever I ask you to identify what things you mean specifically you refuse to give a simple answer. Why?

    Like I said, the evidence is overwhelming!

    I cannot give you just one small piece of evidence and then expect you to understand.

    I think however, that is what you want.

    Last time I showed you a place where you could get a start examining the overwhelming amount of evidence.

    I can boldly say that what Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening because I took the time to examine it.

    There is no alternative or easy way out for someone to say they also examined the overwhelming amount of evidence unless they put in the time.

    There is no simple answer I can give you that would immediately make you understand all the evidence because there is so much!

    abe

  • cofty
    cofty

    Last time I showed you a place where you could get a start examining the overwhelming amount of evidence.

    No you linked to all "Topics Started by You". Only somebody with a massive ego would think that is an honest attempt at an answer.

    Please link to one or two specific threads that you have started which explain what Jesus said that is coming true.

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    Please link to one or two specific threads that you have started which explain what Jesus said that is coming true.

    It is still not that simple!

    Even just one or two threads will only get you started.

    There is too much evidence!

    Here is a thread where I did give the posters an alternative opportunity to start examining the evidence.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/279121/1/Hello-believers-Do-you-still-believe-in-prophecies

    abe

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I cannot give you just one small piece of evidence and then expect you to understand.

    When I hear that my bull$$$ meter goes off. This is what the JWs say, that's why you have to study for six months, you need things "explained properly", why? Because each individual thing is ridiculous. It is only after six months of study and many hours of brainwashing that it starts to make sense, because you forgot what good sense is. So, no thank you very much, I am not investing hours of time because somebody posted a bunch of things on the internet. Sorry if I am cranky today, I am in a lot of pain, but this is nonsense.

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    I cannot give you just one small piece of evidence and then expect you to understand.

    When I hear that my bull$$$ meter goes off. This is what the JWs say, that's why you have to study for six months, you need things "explained properly", why? Because each individual thing is ridiculous. It is only after six months of study and many hours of brainwashing that it starts to make sense, because you forgot what good sense is. So, no thank you very much, I am not investing hours of time because somebody posted a bunch of things on the internet. Sorry if I am cranky today, I am in a lot of pain, but this is nonsense.

    Lisa,

    I do not know any other way of explaining this so that a person could become immediately familiar with all the evidence.

    It is like people are expecting some kind of Vulcan mind meld that Dr Spock used on Start Trek.

    Nope, I do not know how to do that!

    I can see the grief and bitterness coming through in your post above.

    It is not unlike many other EX-JW posts I read on this forum.

    It is very prevalent.

    It is my conviction that the grief and bitterness coming through your words is an evidence of what Jesus Christ said would happen to Christians.

    I think that if you took the time to examine all the evidence you might understand that the things happening to you are the things that Jesus Christ said would happen.

    If you can accept that then the grief and bitterness starts to go away.

    John 16:19-20

    Most truly I say to YOU, YOU will weep and wail, but the world will rejoice; YOU will be grieved, but YOUR grief will be turned into joy.

    What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!

    I can see it happening right here on this forum.

    It is a part of the evidence!

    abe

  • galaxie
    galaxie

    Able;....As I've said before who said what jesus said? Those who are reputed to have known what jesus said in all probability got it at least 2nd or 3rd hand.

    How can these reports be verified?throughout the copying of the bible with all its additions subtractions and omissions through the centuries , how could anyone say with an ounce of certainty that they know CORRECTLY and INDISPUTABLY what jesus said.

    To base your convictions on such a non evidential premise is bordering on stupidity

    To judge others on the same premise is foolishness and should be ignored by balanced reasoned individuals.

    Best wishes.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I can see the grief and bitterness coming through in your post above. - ABM

    Translated as - "I can't back up my grandiose claims so I will insult you for asking the question."

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I do not know any other way of explaining this so that a person could become immediately familiar with all the evidence.

    It is like people are expecting some kind of Vulcan mind meld that Dr Spock used on Start Trek.

    Nope, I do not know how to do that!

    I can see the grief and bitterness coming through in your post above.

    It is not unlike many other EX-JW posts I read on this forum.

    It is very prevalent.

    Umm, you do not know anything about me, so do not presume to judge. Just as you cannot explain your religion in one sentence you can't know what I am like in one sentence. I am not grieving, I recovered from my JW experience years ago. I have a great life now, happily married, two grown children, they are doing great, two adorable grandchildren, no money worries, etc. The only problem I have is a medical condition, which flares up from time to time, it's a pain issue, so sometimes I get a bit sharp in my comments, but I didn't say anything wrong or untrue, I stand by my comments. You are attempting to infer I am bitter, no I am not, but I still will not look at your information. Try selling crazy somewhere else, we are all full up here.

    But, having been in an abusive cult, I know one when I see one. You eagerness to try to get people to look at your videos is laughable. If what you believe is so wonderful, you should be able to explain it in a few paragraphs. I could do that with my beliefs. The fact that you can't tell me in a sentence or two indicates to me that either don't understand your beliefs, or its a cult. I am guessing cult.

    People who swindle other people out of their hard earned money will often sell their list of easy marks to other swindlers. Now you would think that after they had been stupid and lost all their money they would be more cautious, but actually, the opposite is the case, they are easily fooled again. So I do think some ex JWs are taken advantage of my other abusive religions. I just don't like to see people come here in an attempt to do that. We regularly have people come here to try that (Cold Steel and Perry, yes I mean you). If someone is sincere and wants to express their faith in an honest way, then that is fine. I have no problem with that, I am not anti religion per se.

    You do not fall into that category. You have tried to get others to look at material outside of this board. You will not state your religion or even what you believe. That sends sends up red flags to me. Either say what you believe or go away.

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you. What will you say in your defense for not believing?

    Which god would I be in front of exactly?

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    "What a conundrum oh lord of genocide and murder, you want to burn me in a fiery lake for not believing in you, yet your autobiography....may I add, a terrible read... that you wrote for us, claims all believe in you. Seems a contradiction. You want to now punish me for something you claimed was impossible. Ah well, I'll be the bigger man and be honest....We both know I did not at all believe in you .....and frankly gladly so. You know I examined those words in your holy text and realised they were a description of a tyrant, a spoilt petty being with a finger on the button, happy to press it when he felt slighted by his little creations....women, children, babies and even those in the womb were not spared your rage. Genocide, slavery, sexism, racism, homophobia... all the things I detest. Throw me in the lake of fire, I go gladly, I go a more moral being than you."

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