If God is real? (page 3)

suavojr

Perry, I value your comment but how can I be judged a sinner when the existence of God is based in bad evidence? How can Jesus be my defense lawyer, prosecutor and judge at the same time?

How can I be guilty of something God himself has allowed?

Perry

Magnum, the OP clearly states that "if we find ourself in front of a God ready to judge you" what would be our defence in the judgment.

Personally, I don't have one. I am guilty for

1. Breaking God's laws

2. I am guilty of breaking man's laws that I have willingly agreed to live under and by

3. I am guilty of breakng my own laws, and worse.... for judging others as guilty for the same things I have given myself a pass on.

If I was to be judged BY ANY of these standards, I would be guilty and be defenseless.

Perry

How can I be guilty of something God himself has allowed?

What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?

God has given each one of us a conscience. Con-science means literally "with knowledge". When we sin we do it with knowledge and if we are judged, it will be as knowing it was wrong.

Viviane

False analogy, Perry. God still gets the finger.

Magnum

opening post:

If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you. What will you say in your defense for not believing?

Perry:

Magnum, the OP clearly states that "if we find ourself in front of a God ready to judge you" what would be our defence in the judgment.

Personally, I don't have one. I am guilty for

1. Breaking God's laws

2. I am guilty of breaking man's laws that I have willingly agreed to live under and by

3. I am guilty of breakng my own laws, and worse.... for judging others as guilty for the same things I have given myself a pass on.

If I was to be judged BY ANY of these standards, I would be guilty and be defenseless.

Perry, I'm not trying to be mean, but I've got to be blunt. You must have poor comprehension. You're talking about judgement in general. The opening post was about judgement for "not believing". It wasn't about judgement for breaking Gods' laws or any of those things you mentioned. Maybe that's why it's easier for you to believe - maybe your intelligence level is lower. I think the evidence shows that lower intellegence correlates with greater capacity/desire to believe in deities and the supernatural.

You keep trying to tell me this post is about judgement. The judgement part of the OP is part of the "if" condition; the main point is about not believing - being judged after death for not believing. I don't know what the originator of the OP intended, but that's what his words indicate.

suavojr

When a non believer or doubter says he/she does not believe. It means that person does not believe in sin, does not believe we are broken and does not think we should be punished for not believing these things when we do not have hard evidence. All we have are gut feelings.

suavojr

What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?

The thief is guilty.

How can I be guilty of people's past mistakes?

Magnum

When a non believer or doubter says he/she does not believe. It means that person does not believe in sin, does not believe we are broken and does not think we should be punished for not believing this things when we do not have hard evidence. All we have are gut feelings.

What??? How do you know what a non-believer or doubter means when he says he doesn't believe? If I just hear somebody say he doesn't believe, I assume, unless he specifies, that he means he doesn't believe in a deity. I think that's the only logical conclusion.

Finkelstein

: If God is real?

Not really !

Mankind doesn't need the threat of eternal damnation to be empathic and concerning for are fellow man.

Love can be taught and learned .

The god of the bible is not about love and is not a role model for mankind and shouldn't be worshiped as some people do..

Perry

If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you.

What will you say in your defense for not believing?

Magnum, the first subject is a closed idea about a personal judgment before God. It has a period at the end of the sentence. God judges sin. Our courts judge some sin, not the good that we do. The second sentence about belief is less clear. Is the object of disbelief God himself or judgment or both? Since the setting is already before God, it seems the judgment itself is the problem at hand for this situation.

At any rate, I think the two are related. Clearly, if not handled correctly there is a huge problem for each of us if God does in fact judge sin.

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