by suavojr 108 Replies latest jw friends
So Cofty,
Are you then OK with God judging sin, just not the hellfire part of the judgment?
Jesus spoke about some people being put in outer darkness....cold darkness for eternity, away from God.
Does that make you feel better about judgment? It doesn't me.
Your basic problem doesn't seem to really be with God's right to judge so much as it is with his kindness:
I do not need any "executive pardon" from the sick fantasy you call your god.
I just finished a book about the only survivor the north korean labour camp 14.
Labour camp 14 is a place where people are kept for non-crimes and worked to death on a diet of cabbage soup. Often the crimes are comitted by a relative or by your parents. The place make 1984 look like a holiday near the sea by comparison.
To mention two events the survivor witnessed, one was when the person saw a small girl get (litterally) beaten to death with a stick by a teacher for posession of 5 grains of corn. Another time he turned in his mom and brother for planning an escape. He was then thrown into a torture pit and roasted over an open fire untill his flesh started to burn and he was thrown in a cell to die. Another inmate cleaned his infected wounds by cabbage soup. He was about 14 at the time IIRC.
It should be kept in mind this orwellian shithole is a paradise compared to the eternal torture-pit Perry think the psychopatic sockpuppet he call god has planned for us. An inmate in labour camp 14 might get tortured to death but at least he gets to die.
It should also be kept in mind the people who are mainly thrown into labour camp 14 for all sorts of thought-crimes; a person who think the dear leader is an asshat and voice the oppinion deserve labour camp 14; a person who think the same thing about about the dear leader --sorry-- god deserve the same according to Perry. According to the dear leader a person might deserve labour camp 14 because of something his parrents did, according to Perrys psychopatic god we all deserve torture.
I am only glad a person who so willingly wish to believe in this sort of moral nihilism, totallitarianism and torture-porn is not in any capacity of power.
One of the things, among many that we were all taught as christians, was this idea of blood sacrifice- bloody jesus and pauline concoctions of the same ala Hebrews and its pack of lies about Judaism.
This is why christians think Jews have to start animal sacrifices again to be right with god, this was never the case but blood obsessed christians sure need to believe it.
i think most of us here at one stage were on pretty good terms with Perrys God.
And i dont mean any disrespect Perry. but reading this thread on your God, well he seems to have a lower moral standard than me. And i am certainly just ordinary in compassion and love and wisdom.
I'd ask: 'Which god are you? I was always very confused on that score.'
I'd say, before I go to hell, can I tap that Perry booty real quick? Me and god would high five, and Perry's faith would be tested.
bohn says:
I am only glad a person who so willingly wish to believe in this sort of moral nihilism, totallitarianism and torture-porn is not in any capacity of power.
It doesn't matter whether you wish to believe in the judgment of sin or not, it is going to happen after we die whether we believe in it or not. Unlike animals, you have built within you a conscience which bothers you when you break some of God's laws.
We live in countries that assumes that when we steal, lie, assault, murder etc, we do it with the knowledge that it is wrong. We set up courts to judge those who break these laws...... because we are created in God's image, which is where we get this sense of justice. However, our justice systems are flawed, incomplete and knowingly not perfect.
God is not like that. He is perfect. He knows all. He knows we could NEVER obey all his laws on our own power. The Jews tried to do it and failed. They became addicted to trying to do it. They built a maladaptive relationship with the system instead of with God himself. When he showed up as their deliverer, most rejected him even though he made the blind see, the lame walk, and the dead rise.
Man, in his depravity isn't so much against a God who judges; it is against a God who judges us personally and exposes our weakness. This asaults our pride. However, God must judge sin, just as the judges that we appoint in our courts must do their job. But, he made his own Son to become sin in our place.... just so we would not have to be condemned.
If God judged you by the ten commandments would you be guilty or innocent? That is a question each of us should ask ourselves. Especially since God spent about three thousand years indicating that the ten commandments is how he will judge human beings who were created in his image.
Ok, I'll play along with this fantasy. Since 'god' is supposed to know all things, I wouldn't say a word to her in my defense, other than to tell her to figure it out and that the bitch owes me an apology. Then, like Viviane said, I would give her the finger. And Perry needs help.
Perry: might makes right how original. Do you actually get your appologetics from DRNKs radio station?.
Bottom line: You are in favor of eternal torture for thought-crimes. You are a moral nihilist and the invention you call god is a fachist fanart wrapped in stupidity.
and get my bloody name right its only four letters.
Perry, presumably as an ex jw, can you not see that you are in fact engaging in the black and white thinking that jws are guilty of?
How do you know you're god is the right one? you can't possibly know anything of the sort. How about being slightly less narrowminded and certain of your position?
