If God is real?

by suavojr 108 Replies latest jw friends

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  Perry

  Hi perry by your reasoning god must be like a father who allows his child to do something wicked for the gratification of punishing him.

  Gratification? God is not gratified by punishing. He claims just the opposite. He even goes so far as to punish his own Son who bears his own omnipresent being to suffer and die as a scapegoat in place of those who would accept it. I don't know where you get your notions about judgment and punishment; but it is not from the bible or western culture in general. Judgment is generally characterized as an obligation or duty of government. Tyrants may get some sort of twisted gratification from their judgments. But honorable judges do not. God is honorable and makes this clear when he literally pleads with people to accept his pardon so that he isn't forced to condemn:

  "Say to them, 'As I live!' declares the Lord GOD, 'I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die? - Ez. 33:11

  God is placing the bar really low to avoid condemnation. All he is really asking is that if we lie or steal etc., to admit the sin, turn from it and believe that God WILL forgive on the basis of Jesus' blood.

  What is so terrible about that?
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  designs

  1. Jesus blood sacrifice is based on a lie...or three.
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  LisaRose

  If I were to stand in front of God on Judgement day, I would say "I did not believe in you because I saw no evidence of your existence. I talked to you for years but you never responded. The instruction manual that you supposedly wrote was full of contradictions, superstition and errors, so it was clearly not written by an all knowing, all powerful being. You allowed centuries of man's inhumanity to man, which proves you are not a loving, concerned father. The people who believed in you were no better than any other people, they caused wars and hurt others in your name and couldn't even get along with each other, which proves that their belief in you did not make them better people. In short you have done nothing to deserve my worship. If I am to be destroyed for that, so be It, I followed my conscience and lived my life with integrity, I could do nothing different.
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  galaxie

  Perry you contradict yourself. You claim god allows evil and there will be a judgement from god. If as predicted in scripture many will take the wrong path , if you believe these words are gods inspiration and he knows many will fail (willingly) he would HAVE to be gratified that his judgment of them was fulfilled by his punishment, otherwise what would be the point of his actions if not for gratification, in other words his satisfaction of his prophetic words coming to pass.

  There is no wriggle room on that one.

  And by the way has god appointed you to be his mouthpiece.
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  ablebodiedman

  Abe, I've read your post several times and don't have a clue what it is you are trying to say.

  Try again?

  The overwhelming amount of evidence drives any thought of skepticism beyond reasonable limits.

  What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!

  It's ok, the bible does say that some people would not understand.

  Therefore your statement above cements my conviction.

  Just another small piece of the overwhelming amount of evidence.

  abe
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  cofty

  What Jesus Christ said would happen, is really happening!

  Whenever I ask you to identify what things you mean specifically you refuse to give a simple answer. Why?
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  Perry

  he would HAVE to be gratified that his judgment of them was fulfilled by his punishment, otherwise what would be the point of his actions if not for gratification, in other words his satisfaction of his prophetic words coming to pass.

  Galaxie,

  I think you are confusing gratification with satisfaction. You use both words but I think they are different. Honorable judges do not get personal gratification (pleasure) from discharging their duties for which they were appointed to do. However, there is satisfation involved when law violations are judged. The Law is satisfied.

  Maybe you don't see a difference, but I do especially when God specifically states "I take no pleasure"....
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  Giordano

  God's natural language is silence. Everything else is a bad translation of that silence.
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  redvip2000

  If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you. What will you say in your defense for not believing?

  Let's say there was a child that grew up to adulthood without a father that decided to abandon him. Now the father one day returns and asks him " Son, why don't you love me?". What do you think the son would say?
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  galaxie

  Perry what honorable judge do you know of who would ALLOW evil if they hsd the power to stop it.

  Gratification is satisfaction try the dictionary.

  As I say NO wriggle room on that one.

  If you allow evil havinf the power to stop it then the judgmental punishment you inflict can ONLY be for your gratification.